Pecker Problems (Mueller+ Investigation Thread v. 21)

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Hm? I included that for balance, but it clearly mentions in the story that there is further context to that statement under the circumstances. Do you deny that?

The context being the plea specifically requires he cooperate with Mueller’s trump probe? No, I caught that. That was the point. He’s having people charged with crimes that normally aren’t pursued against the vast majority of people “guilty” of doing the same thing solely, seemingly, to force them into cooperating with his investigation.
 
Please don't accuse me of "parroting" the remarks of others, particularly when I haven't even heard those remarks. I present my own viewpoints only.



Just to restate what should be obvious: this is a narrow point in response to those people clamoring that "Trump admitted in the Holt interview to firing Comey to attempt to kill the Russia probe." That's patently false and one merely needs to listen to the Holt interview to see that.

Lstening to the interview from start to finish makes it pretty clear. Trump's story is that Comey was an incompetent grandstander, that he was going to fire Comey regardless of Rosenstein's recommendation, and that he disregarded "this Russia thing" because he didn't think that should be an excuse for not firing an incompetent person. He even said he would consider "extending the investigation" and that he "wanted it to be done perfectly".

Now, you can say you don't believe Trump because you think he's a liar. That's fine, but Trump's story as presented in the Holt interview is consistent and, if true, not ethically dubious. I realize this type of narrow point is lost on a lot of the people here, but I persist.

Well, it's oddly coincidental that your points dovetail so well with what Trump's team is saying, be it Caputo or in print somewhere. Furthermore, I don't understand why you would be credulous to what Trump and his people are saying about this interview, or about anything at this point.

The fact is that he brought up "the Russia thing" as a total non sequitur when talking about why he wanted to fire Comey regardless of Rosenstein's recommendation, which countered everything his team was saying about how and why the firing happened. Comey was a "grandstander" and "showboat" well before Trump was all hugs and kisses with him, something obviously changed, and Trump said why in the Holt interview, and to Kislyak and Lavrov in the White House. I mean come on, he said "I faced great pressure because of Russia, that's been taken off", so all that stuff about him considering "extending the investigation" and that he "wanted it to be done perfectly" should be taken as seriously as him saying that he wants to sit down with Mueller. :rolleyes:

Give it a couple of weeks though and Trump will say that what he meant when he was talking to Lavrov and Kislyak was the opposite of what he said, "I faced not great pressure because of Russia, and that pressure has not been taken off". That or "something something deep state, bbbut Obama."
 
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Instead of posting a video, could you please respond to the specific point I made? Namely: multiple posters in this thread including @Strychnine seem to take the failure to report a campaign contribution very seriously. That's despite the fact that every presidential campaign (including the Obama campaign) fails to report contributions.

It is serious, and the Obama campaign was fined seriously, as was Trump's campaign for similar reporting violations. You trying to put the Obama campaign's violations on par with what Cohen has plead guilty to, is what I was pointing out as flawed.
 
@OeuvrePressure
This just in could, uh... be it:

Robert Mueller got another cooperator
Sam Patten, an associate of Paul Manafort and Cambridge Analytica, struck a plea deal.

"The Mueller investigation has resulted in yet another plea deal. Sam Patten, a Republican lobbyist, pleaded guilty Friday to violating the Foreign Agents Registration Act in his unregistered work for a Ukrainian politician and a Ukrainian oligarch — and agreed to cooperate with the government.

Patten was charged by the US attorney’s office for the District of Columbia. But Mueller’s team referred the investigation there and Patten’s plea agreement specifically says he must cooperate with the special counsel’s office. Andrew Weissmann, an attorney on Mueller’s team, attended Patten’s hearing Friday...."

"Specifically, the document claims that Patten contacted members of Congress and their staffers, State Department officials, and members of the press on behalf of his Ukrainian clients — all without registering under the Foreign Agents Registration Act, as required by law.

Patten also admits to helping his Ukrainian oligarch client get around the prohibition on foreign donations to Donald Trump’s inauguration committee. The oligarch sent $50,000 to Patten’s company, and then he gave that money to a US citizen, who bought the four tickets. The tickets were used for the oligarch, Kilimnik, another Ukrainian, and Patten himself to attend the inauguration.

Finally, Patten also admits to misleading the Senate Intelligence Committee and withholding documents from them during testimony this January...."

"Either because of lack of resources or a desire to avoid expanding his probe too much beyond the central players in the Russia investigation, Mueller is now known to have referred several potentially criminal matters he has discovered to other offices in the Justice Department to investigate.

The special counsel reportedly referred another inquiry of prominent Washington figures’ Ukrainian lobbying to the US attorney’s office for the Southern District of New York (SDNY), this one concerning Tony Podesta, Vin Weber, and Greg Craig. (This trio worked with Manafort and his associate Rick Gates on some of their Ukraine projects.)

Mueller also referred the investigation of Michael Cohen for tax and campaign finance violations to SDNY (though he appears to have continued investigating Cohen on matters related to Russia). Cohen pleaded guilty on eight counts in the SDNY case last week.

The charge here — not registering as a foreign agent under FARA — is believed to be widespread in Washington, but it is rarely prosecuted. Mueller’s probe, however, seems to have turned up a plethora of evidence of such violations, even for figures he hasn’t closely focused on.

The Patten investigation is the third known probe Mueller has referred. Yet this does not seem to have been a complete handoff, since his plea agreement specifically mentions he must cooperate with the special counsel’s office. So Patten has become Mueller’s newest cooperator."

See, @waiguoren, this is a context where mentioning a person as an associate isn't disingenuous or misleading, unlike your Breitbart piece. Incidentally, does this sound like prosecutorial over-reach to you?
"Either because of lack of resources or a desire to avoid expanding his probe too much beyond the central players in the Russia investigation, Mueller is now known to have referred several potentially criminal matters he has discovered to other offices in the Justice Department to investigate."

Again, @OeuvrePressure, I suggest we give the 24-hour news cycle chance to digest that and we can decide tomorrow if it (or any further revelations today) meet our criterion (and yes, that's how you say it #fuckoffsheldon).
The CA connection is what interests me here. I had predicted money laundering would be the downfall (if there is one) but Homer and a few others predicted it would be the CA connection.
 
Would it be fair to summarize this comment as: Trump is guilty until proven innocent because he is a shitty person?
I missed this post earlier. I almost wish I had continued to.

The answer is, of course it's not fair to summarize that comment in such a manner. Deliberate ignorance or trolling? I think you should read the posts leading to that again and then let me know if you want to have a serious discussion or if you just want to post misrepresentation after misrepresentation.
 
@OeuvrePressure
This just in could, uh... be it:

Robert Mueller got another cooperator
Sam Patten, an associate of Paul Manafort and Cambridge Analytica, struck a plea deal.

"The Mueller investigation has resulted in yet another plea deal. Sam Patten, a Republican lobbyist, pleaded guilty Friday to violating the Foreign Agents Registration Act in his unregistered work for a Ukrainian politician and a Ukrainian oligarch — and agreed to cooperate with the government.

Patten was charged by the US attorney’s office for the District of Columbia. But Mueller’s team referred the investigation there and Patten’s plea agreement specifically says he must cooperate with the special counsel’s office. Andrew Weissmann, an attorney on Mueller’s team, attended Patten’s hearing Friday...."

"Specifically, the document claims that Patten contacted members of Congress and their staffers, State Department officials, and members of the press on behalf of his Ukrainian clients — all without registering under the Foreign Agents Registration Act, as required by law.

Patten also admits to helping his Ukrainian oligarch client get around the prohibition on foreign donations to Donald Trump’s inauguration committee. The oligarch sent $50,000 to Patten’s company, and then he gave that money to a US citizen, who bought the four tickets. The tickets were used for the oligarch, Kilimnik, another Ukrainian, and Patten himself to attend the inauguration.

Finally, Patten also admits to misleading the Senate Intelligence Committee and withholding documents from them during testimony this January...."

"Either because of lack of resources or a desire to avoid expanding his probe too much beyond the central players in the Russia investigation, Mueller is now known to have referred several potentially criminal matters he has discovered to other offices in the Justice Department to investigate.

The special counsel reportedly referred another inquiry of prominent Washington figures’ Ukrainian lobbying to the US attorney’s office for the Southern District of New York (SDNY), this one concerning Tony Podesta, Vin Weber, and Greg Craig. (This trio worked with Manafort and his associate Rick Gates on some of their Ukraine projects.)

Mueller also referred the investigation of Michael Cohen for tax and campaign finance violations to SDNY (though he appears to have continued investigating Cohen on matters related to Russia). Cohen pleaded guilty on eight counts in the SDNY case last week.

The charge here — not registering as a foreign agent under FARA — is believed to be widespread in Washington, but it is rarely prosecuted. Mueller’s probe, however, seems to have turned up a plethora of evidence of such violations, even for figures he hasn’t closely focused on.

The Patten investigation is the third known probe Mueller has referred. Yet this does not seem to have been a complete handoff, since his plea agreement specifically mentions he must cooperate with the special counsel’s office. So Patten has become Mueller’s newest cooperator."

See, @waiguoren, this is a context where mentioning a person as an associate isn't disingenuous or misleading, unlike your Breitbart piece. Incidentally, does this sound like prosecutorial over-reach to you?
"Either because of lack of resources or a desire to avoid expanding his probe too much beyond the central players in the Russia investigation, Mueller is now known to have referred several potentially criminal matters he has discovered to other offices in the Justice Department to investigate."

Again, @OeuvrePressure, I suggest we give the 24-hour news cycle chance to digest that and we can decide tomorrow if it (or any further revelations today) meet our criterion (and yes, that's how you say it #fuckoffsheldon).

What an oddly productive witch hunt.
 
I can see why Ohr was aggressively attacked by Chump.

What's the origin of the phrase "got him over a barrel"?
 
They spy on trumps campaign.

They make multiple attempts to entrap members of the campaign.

They pay foreign agents for Russian propaganda.

They literally have every media outlet, including half of Fox News in their pockets.



They still lose.

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Yeah, just the "news" half, it's the far right opiners that are keeping it real. :D
 
Wow. That was subtle.
Too clever by half for me, I'm sorry to say.
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Not only that, but Cuban was the entrepreneur behind HDNet, the home of The MMA Hour with Bas Rutten and that annoying guy whose name escapes me. At its peak, it was the premiere source for MMA news.

But I forgive you, this time.

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I missed this post earlier. I almost wish I had continued to.

The answer is, of course it's not fair to summarize that comment in such a manner. Deliberate ignorance or trolling? I think you should read the posts leading to that again and then let me know if you want to have a serious discussion or if you just want to post misrepresentation after misrepresentation.
You have to give him credit though, he'd make a good lawyer, he's been doing better than Rudy at any rate. :D
 
New Big Updates (since it's been like two days since the last update was made I'm not changing much):

  • Allen Weisselberg, the Trump Org. CFO, has agreed to immunity in exchange for cooperating with federal prosecutors
  • David Pecker, who ran the national enquirer, agreed to cooperate for immunity. He claimed that the enquirer would kill unflattering stories about Trump by buying and sitting on them.
  • Jury in the first Manafort trial reached a verdict on 8 of the 18 counts. Appears to be hung on the remaining 10; may result in a mistrial for those counts, possible retrial. The holdout juror refused to explain or provide reasons for finding Manafort not guilty
  • Cohen pleaded guilty to campaign finance violations (and tax fraud) for paying off various women involved in Trump's infidelities. He stated, in his guilty plea, that he did so "at the direction of" a 2016 presidential candidate and with the "purpose of influencing the election."

Mod note from previous thread: Please post in here with regards to the subject at hand. Any general chat can go in the WR OT thread.

Just to be clear, going forward, these type of posts also count of derailing:
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Major events so far:

  • Manafort, Trump's campaign manager and transition committee member has been indicted arising from misconduct reaching into 2017 related to payments received through 2014 from the pro-russia faction of Ukraine's pre-war government. He has pleaded not guilty. The indictment has since been expanded by 13 claims. Manafort's bond has been revoked because of witness tampering. His countersuit has been dismissed, as has his claim that Mueller's appointment violated Article II. He has been convicted of 8 counts so far.
  • Michael Cohen, Trump's attorney, has pleaded guilty to campaign finance violations, which he claims to have committed at Trump's direction to influence the election.
  • Gates has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI and conspiring (with Manafort) to commiting tax fraud, failing to register as a foreign agent, and lying to the FBI
  • George Papadopolous pleaded guilty to lying to federal investigators in 2017 about activities occuring 2016-17. Admits to meeting with various Russian officials regarding setting up meetings and "dirt" on Hillary while acting on behalf of the Trump campaign, something he previously denied.
  • Mike Flynn, Trump's National Security Advisor, has also pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI with respect to several meetings that he had with the Russian ambassador. Flynn was allegedly involved in other business involving Turkey, but has not yet been charged with respect to that behavior.
  • 13 Russian indictment for activity starting in 2014 and continuing through 2017. A US citizen pleaded guilty for agreeing to help them. There is also a separate 12 count indictment targeting GRU officers
  • An attorney linked to Manafort, Gates, and a Russian oligarch has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI
  • Yohai, Manafort's former son-in-law has agreed to cooperate with the Justice Department
  • Daniels's lawsuit has somehow, insanely, gotten linked up to the Mueller investigation thanks to alleged wrongdoing and influence-peddling by Michael Cohen. Who has pleaded guilty and offered to fully cooperate.
  • Twelve Russian intelligence officers have been indicted for conspiracy against the United States and aggravated identity theft. The indictment should be mandatory reading.
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