Pecker Problems (Mueller+ Investigation Thread v. 21)

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

I assume you're referring to the Trump Organization. Do we have a firm source on this?

The indictment Cohen pleaded guilty to...

Oh wait you believe he pleaded guilty to imaginary crimes. Nevermind carry on your charade

 

[Andy Capp]

The last part is a mischaracterization, as I already explained.

As for the anonymous leak of the alleged transcript of a secret conversation---I think you should know better than to judge what actually was said based on a few chopped up quotations. No reasonable person would even try to judge without at least seeing the full transcript.

Alright, now how about any of the other obviously shit things he's been up to? Can you deny their factual basis as well?

Regardless, the entire point is he shows nothing but disdain for honesty, the law, integrity, or the truth. Compared with all the other things he's done, do you think he's going to give the slightest fraction of a fuck if his secret payment to a woman he fucked to shut her up came from a legal or an illegal source?

I sure as hell don't. The suggestion that there was a legal remedy to his situation so he didn't need to break the law is no reason for that orange twatwaffle to not break the law.

 

[Andy Capp]

Any bet we might make is completely between two awesome people only.


Oh, we share that. I'm betting against my interest.

Fo sho. I only meant until the end of the day, and hadn't considered any stakes.
Over a month I think you'd be pretty likely to win.
If he don't say nothing today, I'm guessing he'll hold off until after the election.

There's a misunderstanding. The event must occur by end of day today, stipulated. The penalty goes into effect tomorrow until end of month - negotiable duration, could be the long weekend or even less.

 

[waiguoren]

Come on now, you are just parroting what Trump's team is saying about this (e.g., what Caputo was saying on TV last night).

Please don't accuse me of "parroting" the remarks of others, particularly when I haven't even heard those remarks. I present my own viewpoints only.

but it doesn't change what Trump said earlier, bringing up the "Russia thing" in his stream of consciousness answer about how he was going to fire Comey regardless of what Rosenstein said

Just to restate what should be obvious: this is a narrow point in response to those people clamoring that "Trump admitted in the Holt interview to firing Comey to attempt to kill the Russia probe." That's patently false and one merely needs to listen to the Holt interview to see that.

Lstening to the interview from start to finish makes it pretty clear. Trump's story is that Comey was an incompetent grandstander, that he was going to fire Comey regardless of Rosenstein's recommendation, and that he disregarded "this Russia thing" because he didn't think that should be an excuse for not firing an incompetent person. He even said he would consider "extending the investigation" and that he "wanted it to be done perfectly".

Now, you can say you don't believe Trump because you think he's a liar. That's fine, but Trump's story as presented in the Holt interview is consistent and, if true, not ethically dubious. I realize this type of narrow point is lost on a lot of the people here, but I persist.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

There's a misunderstanding. The event must occur by end of day today, stipulated. The penalty goes into effect tomorrow until end of month - negotiable duration, could be the long weekend or even less.

*shakes hands*
Right on brother. When we started the bet, time was on my side. Even more so now, only four hours to satisfy it.

 

[waiguoren]

And come on now with the "bbbut Obama stuff"

Instead of posting a video, could you please respond to the specific point I made? Namely: multiple posters in this thread including @Strychnine seem to take the failure to report a campaign contribution very seriously. That's despite the fact that every presidential campaign (including the Obama campaign) fails to report contributions.

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

*shakes hands*
Right on brother. When we started the bet, time was on my side. Even more so now, only four hours to satisfy it.

Mueller announced 2 members of his team have left .Indicating they're wrapping up some aspects of the investigation .

 

[waiguoren]

The indictment Cohen pleaded guilty to...

Oh wait you believe he pleaded guilty to imaginary crimes. Nevermind carry on your charade

Please relax. I was asking him for a source, and you stepped in. Thank you for doing so. However, I was under the impression that Trump's position is that he used his own money to pay Clifford. I'll check shortly.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Mueller announced 2 members of his team have left .Indicating they're wrapping up some aspects of the investigation .

I read the same reports (reports, Trumpbots. More than one source, from multiple angles. Crazy innit).
I don't know about drawing that conclusion though.

 

[Andy Capp]

*shakes hands*
Right on brother. When we started the bet, time was on my side. Even more so now, only four hours to satisfy it.

Mueller announced 2 members of his team have left .Indicating they're wrapping up some aspects of the investigation .

Thanks for the info. I don't think it's fair to classify that as the bombshell that was anticipated so I'm not about the declare victory on that alone; I suggest we wait until tomorrow morning before we try to evaluate the result. There's likely more to it than that. ;-)

 

[waiguoren]

Alright, now how about any of the other obviously shit things he's been up to? Can you deny their factual basis as well?

Regardless, the entire point is he shows nothing but disdain for honesty, the law, integrity, or the truth. Compared with all the other things he's done, do you think he's going to give the slightest fraction of a fuck if his secret payment to a woman he fucked to shut her up came from a legal or an illegal source?

I sure as hell don't. The suggestion that there was a legal remedy to his situation so he didn't need to break the law is no reason for that orange twatwaffle to not break the law.

Would it be fair to summarize this comment as: Trump is guilty until proven innocent because he is a shitty person?

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

Please relax. I was asking him for a source, and you stepped in. Thank you for doing so. However, I was under the impression that Trump's position is that he used his own money to pay Clifford. I'll check shortly.

That's what tRUmp said. But he's also on video saying he didn't know about it. He's a liar though so what you expect

 

[waiguoren]

That's what tRUmp said. But he's also on video saying he didn't know about it. He's a liar though so what you expect

Cohen is a liar, right? The point is that I'm not sure we know how Cohen was reimbursed at this point.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Thanks for the info. I don't think it's fair to classify that as the bombshell that was anticipated so I'm not about the declare victory on that alone; I suggest we wait until tomorrow morning before we try to evaluate the result. There's likely more to it than that. ;-)

If I lose the bet, we both "win",

 

[rearnakedchoke]

Trump is getting in deep. The only thing that can possibly save him now is a terrorist attack on the level of 9/11. I am sure the white house is working with isis et al to pull something like this off again.

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

Cohen is a liar, right? The point is that I'm not sure we know how Cohen was reimbursed at this point.

If he pleaded guilty to it, there's bank records and/or memos indicating. He KEPT everything . FBI with SDNY seized literally millions of documents from Cohen

 

[44nutman]

This is quite interesting:
The tensions around Don McGahn’s exit and the Mueller investigation, explained

"McGahn was involved in at least four matters related to President Trump that Mueller is investigating."

"Just days after Trump became president, the FBI questioned his new national security adviser, Michael Flynn, about contacts he’d had with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak during the transition. Flynn’s answers did not match what intelligence intercepts from surveillance of Kislyak showed — suggesting he’d lied to the FBI and perhaps to administration officials like Vice President Mike Pence as well.

Don McGahn was the first White House official to learn about this problem. Sally Yates — the Obama holdover serving as acting attorney general while Jeff Sessions was awaiting confirmation — extensively briefed McGahn on Flynn’s interview, on January 26 and 27. McGahn then briefed other White House officials, including Trump, on what he’d learned.

Yet the White House took a curiously long time to act on this seemingly damning information. Eighteen days passed between McGahn’s first briefing and Flynn’s firing, and Mueller reportedly wants to know why."

"...Sessions came under public pressure to recuse himself from any handling of the investigation into Russian interference.

But Trump very much did not want Sessions to recuse himself. So he told McGahn to tell Sessions that. McGahn did so, urging the attorney general to remain in charge of the probe, according to the New York Times. Sessions, however, recused himself anyway."

"...McGahn and his White House counsel’s office were also involved to some extent in deliberations over firing Comey — for instance, his team researched the legality of the president firing the FBI director beforehand."

"...Finally, just about a month after Mueller was appointed special counsel, Trump reportedly tried to have him fired — and told Don McGahnto make it happen. But according to the New York Times, McGahn simply did not act on this presidential instruction, and Trump moved on."

And there's more about McGahn's role as White House Counsel. I think it's a good read.

Sessions is not dumb, he recused himself because he can only get busted for lying to Congress, he did not want a conspiracy charge added on.
Trump wanted Sessions to cover up for his illegal activity but Sessions was too smart to fall in that trap.

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

Thanks for the info. I don't think it's fair to classify that as the bombshell that was anticipated so I'm not about the declare victory on that alone; I suggest we wait until tomorrow morning before we try to evaluate the result. There's likely more to it than that. ;-)

Peter Carr actually commented. That's a bombshell

 

[waiguoren]

If he pleaded guilty to it, there's bank records and/or memos indicating. He KEPT everything . FBI with SDNY seized literally millions of documents from Cohen

That's an excellent point. However, is it possible that Trump paid the Trump Organization, which then reimbursed Cohen in turn?

 

[Strychnine]

Instead of posting a video, could you please respond to the specific point I made? Namely: multiple posters in this thread including @Strychnine seem to take the failure to report a campaign contribution very seriously. That's despite the fact that every presidential campaign (including the Obama campaign) fails to report contributions.

In this particular case and let's be 100% here..

President Obama did not know about or conspire to fail to report any monies during his campaign.

President Trump DID know about and he DID conspire to hide monies during his campaign.

Whereas both are crimes, one was a mistake to report campaign funds and was squared away. The other was a conspiracy to hide campaign funds because the candidate was in on the plot to payoff TWO women he nailed when he committed adultery.