Pay Ngannou $30 mill, not Jones

[Deleted member 583968]

I think that Wilder vs Ngannou would be more entertaining and evenly matched.

Disagree. Wilder and Ngannou won't be close. Wilder's hands are too quick and his distance control is top notch. Jones vs Ngannou will at least be close for the first two rounds.

 

[krelianx]

How so? It seems like a fair comparison to me.

Because it doesn't even understand the boxing economic model in its current state.

Boxing is far more consolidated globally, as it always been, since it has been around forever, and it is a far more legitimized and established sport. The amount of revenue they generate from tv, sponsorships, media, product placement, and sales globally dwarfs the UFC, and anyone who doesn't have a peanut for a brain knows this. The amount of money that Wilder generates factoring global revenue is not even in the same ballpark compared to Jon Jones, and so his value is exorbitantly higher. This is natural: they have been around for far, far longer, and the UFC is still penetrating key markets. New York just happened a few years ago for crying out loud.

There is not a single major economy that doesn't have substantial deals for boxing broadcasts, whether through ppv or tv (mostly the latter). Even in the developing world: freaking Peru has had a ppv model for big boxing events since the eighties. The UFC, for all its success, is still a developing sport that is growing its global market at an aggressive but consistent pace. They have made substantial advances in key countries like Mexico, Russia, China, but they're very far from being in the position boxing is globally.

To suggest Jon Jones generates as much value as Wilder is, I'm sorry, simply stupid.

 

[CannotWin]

To continue setting precedent so MMA fighters can get paid more.

LOL this is the most pants on retarded thing I have ever heard in my life, buddeh.

 

[shankmcgank]

Pay both a lot of money, but it's clear that Jones is the A-side here. Ngannou's fastest track to super stardom is beating Jones. Got to beat/sacrifice a star to make one.

Jones is no star any longer.

Lost to Reyes, arguably lost to Santos, and has a grand total of 1 finish in the last 7 years.

Jones is a boring point fighter now, and has been for years.

 

[avenue94]

Jones is no star any longer.

Lost to Reyes, arguably lost to Santos, and has a grand total of 1 finish in the last 7 years.

Jones is a boring point fighter now, and has been for years.

I think he lost to Santos and edged Reyes. But all that is neither here nor there. He's still one of the biggest draws the UFC has. If he's declining, which he is, it's even better. Feed him to Ngannou and build your next star. That's what a promoter not interested in fighter pay would do.

 

[shankmcgank]

I think he lost to Santos and edged Reyes. But all that is neither here nor there. He's still one of the biggest draws the UFC has. If he's declining, which he is, it's even better. Feed him to Ngannou and build your next star. That's what a promoter not interested in fighter pay would do.

I'm not going to lie, seeing him get flat lined by Frank would be pretty sweet. It would move up to #1 in my all time, top 5 finishes.

#1 Frank KO's Jones. (Hopefully)
#2 Holm headkick KO of Purple Pillow.
#3 Khabib molesting McTapper
#4 Journeyman Diaz strangling McTapper
#5 Poirier winning me cash KOing McTapper

 

[avenue94]

I'm not going to lie, seeing him get flat lined by Frank would be pretty sweet. It would move up to #1 in my all time, top 5 finishes.

#1 Frank KO's Jones. (Hopefully)
#2 Holm headkick KO of Purple Pillow.
#3 Khabib molesting McTapper
#4 Journeyman Diaz strangling McTapper
#5 Poirier winning me cash KOing McTapper

Like I said, there's really only 2 ways to make a star. Either build them up as they just beat contender after contender (GSP), or you have them make their name off beating a fading star. The latter is much quicker, and given it's HW, less risky.

 

[avenue94]

To suggest Jon Jones generates as much value as Wilder is, I'm sorry, simply stupid.

He clearly does. Wilder-Fury II was comparable in overall financial scale to Jones doing 1 million buys. I don't remember if you replied, but what decade do you think the UFC is comparable to for boxing?

 

[GordoBarraBJJ]

neither is worth that - not even splitting it.

10 million for Jon

8-10 million for Francis

If jon wins then the can demand more for the rematch ditto Francis (unless he completely obliterates jon).

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Have francis headline a ppv (no Jones) and then gauge what his draw power is. I wouldn't be surprised if he was currently the bigger draw over Jon

 

[avenue94]

neither is worth that - not even splitting it.

10 million for Jon

8-10 million for Francis

If jon wins then the can demand more for the rematch ditto Francis (unless he completely obliterates jon).

How are you determining fighter value and how did you possibly conclude Jones isn't worth 10 million?

 

[snackgod]

Jones hasn’t had one fight at HW yet and he’s begging for $30 mill.

I would rather see Ngannou versus Tyson Fury in a boxing match and see him get paid $30 mill, win or lose.

Fury vs Ngannou > Jones vs Ngannou

this is all part of jon jones back trcking victim hood plan. im sure jon already tweeted something like send me a location knowing he wont be there.

 

[Yankee]

why pay a guy who has been out of his prime before the Gus 1 fight? He clearly lost that fight, got caught twice in both fights against DC for illegal substances, went to razor sharp decisions against a broken foot Thiago and arguably a loss against Reyes.

Jones wouldn’t demand $30 mill if Stipe won. He moved up to HW because he knew he would get beaten by Reyes in a rematch and a match against Jan. He expected Stipe to win because he knows he has a better chance. Then he saw Ngannou’s grappling improvement and that scared him.

Jon knows that Francis will obliterate him. If this fight is gonna tarnish his legacy, his plan is to make sure he’s paid well for getting knocked out and his resume to change forever.

Everything you wrote is all bluff and made up logic that you filled your head with. Out of his prime before the first Gus fight? A fight that took place in 2013 when Jones was 26? How, what, where, when and why is out of his prime there? A fight he got a Win for btw. Same as Reyes, same as broken foot Thiago. All wins.

You think 1 sprawl... ONE got him scared of Ngannou... Jesus you're out of touch. He out wrestled and out grappled DC for crying out loud. A single sprawl isn't going to make him shake in fear.

You guys suck Dana's cock so hard. Keep think Jones actually demanded 30 mil. When this fight gets signed I want to see what all the new excuses are going to be.

 

[cade187]

You guys think Ngannou is WAYYYY more popular than he actually is. Jones deserves more money than Francis from his body of work alone, and he’s the bigger PPV draw. If Francis has a long run as HW champ he will get there, but he’s not close right now. 0 title defenses.

 

[Iroh]

Has it been confirmed Jon is asking for 30 mil?

 

[Deleted member 583968]

Have francis headline a ppv (no Jones) and then gauge what his draw power is. I wouldn't be surprised if he was currently the bigger draw over Jon

Maybe I'm being pessimistic but I don't think Ngannou is going to be as big of a draw as analysts say he will be. Unless he's fighting Jon Jones next, I don't see his viewer numbers being close to a Lesnar fight.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Maybe I'm being pessimistic but I don't think Ngannou is going to be as big of a draw as analysts say he will be. Unless he's fighting Jon Jones next, I don't see his viewer numbers being close to a Lesnar fight.

Well the obvious answer is give him the slot or two and see how he does. We don't know what we don't know

 

[avenue94]

You guys think Ngannou is WAYYYY more popular than he actually is. Jones deserves more money than Francis from his body of work alone, and he’s the bigger PPV draw. If Francis has a long run as HW champ he will get there, but he’s not close right now. 0 title defenses.

hence the fight makes sense. Jones is Francis' ticket to higher visibility and promotability for the UFC.

 

[icemun]

The only fighter to make near 30 million off a fight is McGregor. And as much as I hate him, it's because he sells the PPVs.... He's had a fraction of the fights Jones has and has sold millions more PPV buys. So yeah.... They look at him and think consistently they'll make around 60-70 million off PPVs alone with him. Because.... they have. Jones hasn't broken over 800K buys and that was at the peak of this rivalry with DC. Sell the PPV's and you can ask for those paydays. The notion that you're taking a risk to move up to HW and that entitles you to make practically what you've made over your career.... you're fooling yourself. Jones is one of the best, but his actions outside of the ring have had an effect on his following and his PPV numbers reflect that. Between multiple suspensions... Legal troubles... fights canceled because of shit he pulled. He's lucky to be making what he's been making and the fact the UFC would even risk big fights with what he's been like. So no... I wouldn't give him anywhere near that... Maybe the the pair of them split 20 million with a larger chunk going to the champ. And they split the revenue?! Sure.

You have a valid point.

Goes to show fighting is not a meritocracy.

Ive often wondered why Jones just doesnt go full Connor/Mayweather asshole. Many people hate him anyway when he tries to be the good guy.

Jut go all out "I'm the greatest" (Heel). Fire up his haters even more.

But sounds like hes actually really on his righteous lifestyle since Covid so not likely to happen

 

[Deleted member 583968]

Well the obvious answer is give him the slot or two and see how he does. We don't know what we don't know

True but I have to ask, are there any potential fights other than against Jones that will excite you as much as Stipe vs Ngannou 2?