palestine/israel, what would it take?

[RTR ATL]

Nice hyperbole.

How is it a hyperbole? It's true. The Jews that weren't already living in Eretz Israel largely came from other Middle Eastern Countries (who I'm sure will welcome them with open arms) and Europe (you know, where they lost their homes and all other possessions and were put in camps). If anything, the post Zoti was responding to was hyperbole, given you have to be a moron to think it's logistically feasible for all Jews in Israel to just "go back to where they came from."

 

[CableandThanos]

Here is my super biased, short summary view of the situation:
During WWI, England promised the Jews a chunk of land that the Turkish Ottoman Empire owned if they supported them financially. At the same time, they promised the Arabs the same land if they rebelled against the Turkish Ottoman Empire.
WWI ends, British keeps the land for themselves.
Jews and Arabs are pissy because they were both promised a shit ton of land and they both go terrorist apeshit on Britain and each other.
British get attacked by both sides, eventually give up and with the help of the UN, split the land in half.
The Jews, never having the land before, accept. The Arabs, always living on the land but never controlling it, try and seize the opportunity and reject the plan and declare war on the Jews, who now have their own country of Israel.
Due to distrust and disorganization on the Arab side, the Israelis beat back both the internal Palestinian region Arabs and the external Arab nations (who declared war on Israel shortly after its creation) and Israel take a greater chunk of land with it. The UN allows it because it falls within the UK/France's interest in the region. The Palestinian land (now roughly 20% smaller) gets temporarily absorbed by Jordan and Egypt.
The Arabs don't give up and border skirmishes are common--- Israel modernizes and bulks up with American made arsenal (at this point, America began getting chummy with Israel because the Soviet Union was chummy with Egypt). During a very big war where most of the Arab world went against Israel and still got their asses handed to them, Israel conquered all of the mandated land, plus land from Egypt, Syria and Lebanon. The UN is NOT ok with that one, it seems.
They give back the land in negotiations to eventually barter for peace deals (although the last war they fight almost toppled them over) but the Palestinians begin fighting for quasi independence and Jordan/Egypt give them up. This begins the occupation phase, as Israel cannot come to any peaceful terms with the Palestinians and just keeps the land out of security concerns. Eventually they say fuck it and annex a chunk of the land, and begin illegally building on the rest of it. At this point, what was originally mandated and what exists of Palestine today is more than half gone, maybe 1/3rd.

I'm sure many will disagree with my horrible shill summarization. I await the angry responses.

ok so a lot of it is land that they took after people tried to attack them and take their land. So instead of them being the ones on contested land if the arabs had won (or I guess killed all together), they took land and made the people who attacked them the ones to be on contested land.

So at what point in history did it stop being ok to take peoples land if you whooped their ass after they try to kill you? Especially if the land that was supposed given to Palestine was never accepted by them? But once they got their ass whooped and got some of the land taken, now all of a sudden they say it was their land, even though they refused it the first time it was given to them?

 

[o'dubhlaoich]

the second coming of Jesus

 

[Satanical Eve]

So just got word from a friend who lives in Israel stating both Israel and Hamas signed a ceasefire agreement only to have Hamas break the ceasefire within minutes by firing rocket towards Israel. This happened about 6 hours ago.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

So just got word from a friend who lives in Israel stating both Israel and Hamas signed a ceasefire agreement only to have Hamas break the ceasefire within minutes by firing rocket towards Israel. This happened about 6 hours ago.

Al Jazeera says that Hamas wasn't consulted about the conditions of the ceasefire and makes no mentions of them signing anything.

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/7/15/gaza-israel-ceasefire.html

 

[Ryo]

i need to study the genetic differences between those two, but it is very ignorant to say those two are white Europeans working together to occupied Palestine

Im sorry, i might be misunderstanding you but...

How in the blue fuck is it ignorant to say that either of those two Jewish women are not white Europeans? Both are clearly of Northern European and Eastern European extraction...

I mean... uh... does that really need to be studied?

 

[LionExMachina]

Yay, pack your bags everyone. Half of us are going back to Auschwitz and the rest of you are going to Libya, Tunisia, Morocco, Yemen, Egypt, Iraq, Iran (they are WAITING for you there at the soccer stadium).

Aren't they already Jews in Iran?

 

[Zankou]

Shocker of the year, Hamas rejects the Egyptian-brokered ceasefire that Israel had accepted, and the conflict goes on.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/15/gaza-ceasefire-israel-hamas-bombing

My God, who could have seen this one coming. It's almost as though -- and I can't imagine how this could be -- Hamas actually benefits from the conflict, and seeks to goad Israel into attacking.

 

[SammyPops]

Shocker of the year, Hamas rejects the Egyptian-brokered ceasefire that Israel had accepted, and the conflict goes on.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/15/gaza-ceasefire-israel-hamas-bombing

My God, who could have seen this one coming. It's almost as though -- and I can't imagine how this could be -- Hamas actually benefits from the conflict, and seeks to goad Israel into attacking.

From the article you posted: "Hamas spokesmen in Gaza said the Islamist group had not received an official ceasefire proposal, and its demands must be met before it lays down its weapons."

Crazies for rejecting an agreement they did not know existed.

Also- what was int eh agreement? Just b/c Israel accepted a ceasefire, does not mean its right for hamas or the Palestinian people or are you suggesting hamas should accept ANY ceasefire agreement regardless of the details?

 

[Zoti]

Aren't they already Jews in Iran?

There is a very , very small community left in Iran. Most of the Iranian Jewish community left to Israel before the fall of the Shah.

 

[Oiler]

From the article you posted: "Hamas spokesmen in Gaza said the Islamist group had not received an official ceasefire proposal, and its demands must be met before it lays down its weapons."

Crazies for rejecting an agreement they did not know existed.

Also- what was int eh agreement? Just b/c Israel accepted a ceasefire, does not mean its right for hamas or the Palestinian people or are you suggesting hamas should accept ANY ceasefire agreement regardless of the details?

Hamas could have easily said - "we are interested. Please send over a copy of the agreement."

Instead, they capitalized and manipulated the issue, at the expense of their own people's blood. This "we didn't get the memo" is a BS pretext to continue the violence.

If you are going to be fair, then see Hamas for what it is.

 

[SammyPops]

Hamas could have easily said - "we are interested. Please send over a copy of the agreement."

Instead, they capitalized and manipulated the issue, at the expense of their own people's blood. This "we didn't get the memo" is a BS pretext to continue the violence.

If you are going to be fair, then see Hamas for what it is.

so you are not only blaming hamas for not accepting a ceasefire agreement they did not receive, but you want them to reach out for something they did not know exists?

hamas as bad does not mean Israel is innocent

but wait, I know its everyone fault except the Zionists that 200 Palestinian civilians are dead.

 

[Oiler]

so you are not only blaming hamas for not accepting a ceasefire agreement they did not receive, but you want them to reach out for something they did not know exists?
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cut the crap. They can pick up the phone or reach out. Instead they categorically rejected it. Incidentally, factions of Hamas WERE open minded and wanted to consider it. I guess they were just living in fantasy land. Stupid people - the prospect of an end to the bloodshed was appealing enough to get their attention.

If we have a business dispute and I say "I have an offer to settle, will you accept?" You can say the following:

1. No, fuck off. I don't want to to deal with you.
2. I never got it, so no, and now I will sue (which is just a different way of saying #1, without actually saying it)
3. I'd want to see your offer, or send it over (which means you actually want to make a deal).

See #2 for what it really is. Which here means that Hamas doesn't care if its people suffer.

hamas as bad does not mean Israel is innocent

I agree 1000%. I think Israel is wrong here.

I just want to be clear that Hamas has blood on its hands as well.

 

[Zankou]

so you are not only blaming hamas for not accepting a ceasefire agreement they did not receive, but you want them to reach out for something they did not know exists?

hamas as bad does not mean Israel is innocent

but wait, I know its everyone fault except the Zionists that 200 Palestinian civilians are dead.

It is absolutely retarded for Hamas to say they didn't know it existed when every moron across the world with an Internet connection already knew about it. And even worse, they could still accept it after they learned about it, which they did not, so saying the problem is they hadn't heard about it is just garbage. Point of fact they were dismayed to learn about it because their militant faction didn't want peace and the prospect of a truce will ruin their plans.

I certainly agree Israel is very far from innocent, but let's be real, Hamas is also chock full of war-mongering jackasses who love nothing more than to watch bombs fall on both sides, and who are pissing themselves at the thought that the conflict might end before they can grandstand some more.

"However, there were signs of division within Hamas. Conflicting messages were delivered by the Hamas leadership within Gaza, and its international leadership. The organisation's military wing also took a more defiant stand than the political leadership.

The al-Qassam Brigades issued a robust rejection of the truce plan, saying: "Our battle with the enemy continues and will increase in ferocity and intensity." It described the proposal as a "surrender".

Hamas spokesmen in Gaza said the Islamist group had not received an official ceasefire proposal, and its demands must be met before it lays down its weapons."

Unfortunately both Israel and Palestine are unable to control their fanatical zealot factions who thrive on ceaseless conflict, and who wouldn't exist without it. Hence this boring conflict continues eternally.

 

[Jukai]

Funny how every single wing of Hamas knew about it, but SammyPops believes the leadership saying that they never heard about it. Let's trust SammyPops, guys.

 

[Hollywood Nicky]

What the fuck are you doing now, making up history? Who knows what they intended in their jewish state, there is zero indication that they were going to kick out the Palestinians living there when given the land.

right they just slaughtered palestinian villages in order to make israel a jewish majority.

 

[Hollywood Nicky]

hamas considered it a bad deal, they want people released from prison, many of whom aren't being charged with a crime. many were released as a part of another deal just to be arrested again when the 3 teens went missing. israel should either charge them or release them. but to suggest a cease fire that doesn't benefit 1 side was kind of silly.

 

[Hollywood Nicky]

Bullshit. They had their chance. They lost. They can't possibly win any kind of direct confrontation, so they resort to the shit they've resorted to for years. And occasionally - and halfheartedly - indicated that these cowardly attacks would stop if the Israelis would agree to conditions that the Arabs rejected years ago.
They'll lose on this front, too. In case you were wondering.

you mean the arabs didn't want to give up half of palestine to a bunch of europeans? well dare they, i'm just so sure if the UN gave half of the US to china based on the idiotic notion that chinese people are ACTUALLY native american you would be the first to give your home up to a chinese family.

 

[Jukai]

right they just slaughtered palestinian villages in order to make israel a jewish majority.

No, they didn't...

 

[Hollywood Nicky]

No, they didn't...

then how would the zionists create a jewish state without a jewish majority? how do you get to the majority? you get rid of the non jews. i swear you are such a coward. you defend the jews no matter WHAT horrid shit they pull.

i guess Deir Yassin and rest never happened according to jukai.

http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2014...96491003757723_696491003757723#f454d2bcf0be95

My grandmother was a Palestinian. She passed away last summer after decades of being a flag bearer of the strength of Palestinian mothers. She was a survivor of the Deir Yassin massacre in 1948, which was one of the first Palestinian villages to be ethnically cleansed by Zionist militias to create the state of Israel.

but i guess none of this happened because it shows what the jews REALLY did to steal palestine.