Pacquiao Vs De La Hoya. My Breakdown.

[Seano]

I'll be completely surprised if pacman comes out jabbing, moving his head, and using his feet and lateral movement to outpoint Oscar. If a guy has worked 1 style his entire career, its hard for them to just up and change that midway through their career...especially when they're with the same trainer.

Let's face it, you're only going to learn as much from your trainer as they know....and Freddie Roach isn't a boxer. The closest thing Roach had to a boxer wa Brian Villoria, and Villoria lost his belt to an underdog with roach.

Manny is not as clueless as you seem to think. Manny is not so bad at slipping punches. Its not his best thing but hes got some skills. Manny has been fielding shots form guys alot fastwer than Oscar.

The speed is going to be the difference.

 

[lukewall]

Manny is not as clueless as you seem to think. Manny is not so bad at slipping punches. Its not his best thing but hes got some skills. Manny has been fielding shots form guys alot fastwer than Oscar.

The speed is going to be the difference.

I never thought Manny is clueless, he's just the pacman and will continue to be the pacman with roach. He looked like the same pacman against david diaz and i can't see him developing the skills he needs in one training camp to defeat DLH.

And i have to disagree with you. Power, not speed, is going to be the difference.
Pacman doen't have enough to hurt Oscar and DLH has more than enough to hurt pacman.

 

[Seano]

God, I type like a stroke victim.

 

[Seano]

I never thought Manny is clueless, he's just the pacman and will continue to be the pacman with roach. He looked like the same pacman against david diaz and i can't see him developing the skills he needs in one training camp to defeat DLH.

And i have to disagree with you. Power, not speed, is going to be the difference.
Pacman doen't have enough to hurt Oscar and DLH has more than enough to hurt pacman.

Only Hopkins has been able to really hurt DLH, and hes a guy who fights at 175 now.

Oscar loses to faster better conditioned fighters. Why do people feel like they need to deny this? Mosley and Floyd. Trinidad may have been the slower guy, but he was conditioned to go the distance. Even his close calls have been to quicker and/or better conditioned guys. Pernell Whitaker.

 

[lilterror]

i think dlh is slow and pacman will pick apart his face

 

[Triangle Choke]

If you watched the 24/7 series, theres this one scene where Buboy (Manny's friend and co-trainer) is watching the Forbes fight and he talks about how when Oscar is set in his stance, he throws his jab-hook.

With that said, I think Manny will look to pick and pop for the first 6 (primarily going to the body to wear Oscar down), then really pour it on late in the fight where Oscar's stamina has been suspect. Pick those spots where Oscar's coming forward so he has no power in his left, then get out by the time he tries to throw it. Freddie has been saying that speed is key in this bout and its because I guess theyre banking on Manny being able to pop 2 or 3 shots before Oscar can land 1 out of his stance.

If Manny goes balls out from the first bell, it could spell trouble for him and an early night. However, if he picks and pops with quick flurries then gets out of Oscar's range and repeats that process for the first 6, Manny has a real shot to win it.

 

[Seano]

^^^

I hate to say it, but I think Manny may not take too many chances in this fight, even after Oscar slows down.

 

[XiaolinSoldier]

Thats not a huge difference. Look for pics of Mayweather/DLH. He seemed huge there too.

Manny is not a defensive master like Floyd, and Floyd had already grown into a WW frame and taken on elite Welters. Manny's claims to fame are MAB,EM and JMM at FW and JLW, and his biggest opponent to date was David Diaz.
Ill grant that Manny looked great with the extra weight against Diaz, and I imagine he will be a stronger and more physical fighter against Oscar than he was at 130, but that doesnt mean its going to be enough. Oscar was elite as high as JMW, I dont see how people can negate the difference in size, power and chin here.
Even if Oscar fights Mannys battle, and gets into a shootout I still dont see Manny winning that war. As for Manny putting on a clinic like he did against Diaz, well, this aint no David Diaz.
Oscar De La Hoya, KO mid round.

 

[jahivah]

Well. It's almost here guys. I'm still riding the pacman train. Don't discredit the importance of the Phillipino people. Manny's fighting for a country. De La Hoe for $$$.

PS: Teddy Atlas just picked Manny to win.

 

[Seano]

1.Oscar was elite as high as JMW,

2.I dont see how people can negate the difference in size, power and chin here.
.

Can't argue with most of what you say, but lets look at Oscar-

1. yes, WAS. and really, was he elite at JMW? Not really. Oscars best days were at WW and below. Last quality win was... uh:icon_neut... lets just say MAyorga.

2. Its been done before.

 

[Triangle Choke]

^^^

I hate to say it, but I think Manny may not take too many chances in this fight, even after Oscar slows down.

Im not so sure. All throughout 24/7 it seems to me that Freddie believes that once Oscar shows that opening that hes doubting himself or shows signs of slowing down, he'll tell Manny to pour it on. From his comments that Oscar cant pull the trigger to the idea that Freddie believes that Oscar isnt a mentally strong fighter, it just seems that they'll work Oscar from round one and wait for that moment when Oscar is either hurt, slowing down, or in retreat mode that they'll pounce.

Plus, its just a part of Manny's DNA that when he smells blood, he goes for it. He could be hit with a counter that knocks him down (entirely not out of the question considering Oscar's power), but thats just the type of fighter Manny is (for better or for worse).

 

[Tea Cake]

im a big pac fan, but i dont see him winning whatsoever
dlh ko rd1-3

 

[S-dot]

PS: Teddy Atlas just picked Manny to win.

Well if I wasnt sure before, I am now, DLH will definitely win.

 

[lukewall]

Well. It's almost here guys. I'm still riding the pacman train. Don't discredit the importance of the Phillipino people. Manny's fighting for a country. De La Hoe for $$$.

PS: Teddy Atlas just picked Manny to win.

I'm filipino and i'm not picking the pacman in this one. All the people on the islands won't help manny when DLH beats on that drum.

 

[Warfist]

Manny's pressure will also be his undoing...ODLH is what he is, but the guy has power. The fight may be at 147 but Oscar will prolly be at 160 fight night. Oscar via K.O. Then casual observes will harp on Manny being overrated without reading between the lines.

Oscar didn't cut.

He weighed in at 145...and that's what he'll be fighting at.

 

[tntkid]

Oscar will win this one.

"I was way wrong on this prediction. lol "

 

[mozfonky]

My take on the fight. Oscar is bigger, stronger, but not by as much as people think or as much as he should be for the weights he's fought at. I've been saying that difference between the two is just not that dramatic. I see a couple different possible endings. I think Delahoya could very well catch Pac with a great left hook and being the finisher he is, end the fight in the first six rounds. I really don't think he's hungry anymore for a full distance fight so his stamina and power won't be there for the last few rounds. I see pac most likely taking a decision. If i had the dough i'd bet on it.

 

[audisport]

pacquaio looks good

 

[jahivah]

Not to toot my own horn. But just like I said it would. I've been watching boxing way too long.
Forbes had too much success against De La Hoe for him to stand up to the Manny assault.
Manny vs Ricky Hatton is a mismatch. He would destroy Hatton. FLoyd is interesting, that would be a pick em fight. But Manny destroyed De La Hoe whilst FLoyd has a difficult time of it.

On a final note: Juan Manuel Marquez is in my opinion the best fighter in teh world. He dominated the rounds with Manny and if not for being knocked down he would hold two wins over manny. It's not about his trainer Nacho it's about the fighter./ They will fight again and I will be watching.

 

[xMyKRo]

Damn Manny destroyed him. Good call.