Pacquiao Vs De La Hoya. My Breakdown.

[Hester65]

^^^

I just don't think its going to be as dramatic as evryone thinks. Like Oscar will be fighting a pygmy or something.

I don't see why it really matters, size advantage hasn't really been a big help to oscar against other smaller fighters.

I agree that it will not be as dramatic as it may seem, but it is still an advantage.

It hasn't helped him against soom smaller fighters, namely Mosley, Whitaker, and Mayweather, but it has been instrumental agaisnt others. Two of those three are great boxer (Mosley is more of a brawler).

Mosley was able to come over the top on Oscar, Manny will not be able to do so.

 

[Ralph Wiggum]

Fuck you DeLa Hoya haters. Whose down for an av/sig bet? Put your money where your mouth is.

 

[TEXASMOJO]

I agree that it will not be as dramatic as it may seem, but it is still an advantage.

It hasn't helped him against soom smaller fighters, namely Mosley, Whitaker, and Mayweather, but it has been instrumental agaisnt others. Two of those three are great boxer (Mosley is more of a brawler).

Mosley was able to come over the top on Oscar, Manny will not be able to do so.

Unless maybe manny gets ahold of the same roids mosely used against oscar!jk:icon_chee

 

[jahivah]

Fuck you DeLa Hoya haters. Whose down for an av/sig bet? Put your money where your mouth is.

I'll take you up on that. I pick Manny. You pick Oscar. Whoever loses has to punctuate all their posts for the following week with this phrase:

I PICKED OSCAR/MANNY AND LOST. I'M NOT ONLY A FOOL BUT A BITCH TOO.

How's that?

 

[Mr2urbo]

Manny is going to get robbed

Oscar by an undeserving SD

 

[sushijin]

Thats not a huge difference. Look for pics of Mayweather/DLH. He seemed huge there too.

It may not be the huge difference that Rocky faced in his encounter with Thunderlips, but in boxing, that's a pretty good size difference. 4 inches in height and a good reach advantage are hard to overcome if Oscar decides to fight tall and utilize the jab to good effect. On the 24/7 today, Manny weighed like 141...He's probably going to be giving up 10-12 pounds come fight time. I see this fight ending ugly for him.

And here is the funny thing. I actually want Pac to win this fight. I have an avatar and sig bet that he will lose, but I would be happier in losing them. My girl is pinay, and I like Manny alot. Seems to be a decent kid. Oscar, on the other hand, is a POS for what he did to Freddie Roach. No loyalty and no class. I'd love to see Pac get in there and do the trick. But i just don't see it happening, any which way you slice it. Oscar is only a 2-1 favorite, but should be larger than that, IMO. I paid $64 for this card... I just hope Manny doesn't get blitzed within 5 rounds, and can make a go of it.

WAR PACQUIAO1!!!!!!

 

[MirJitsu ftw]

listen all you pacman lovers, I would love to see the underdog win like the next guy, but if you break it down...i don't see it going down the way your boy roach sees it.

Speed: Pacman: No surprise that Pac is the much quicker fighter and he's definatly going to land alot of shots on DLH, i think it's going to surprise him how fast he really is and it might throw off DLH's timing early. However don't be surprised if DLH isn't as slow as he should be at his age especially after undergoing the grueling conditioning up in big bear.

Power: DLH: it's pretty obvious that DLH is the much bigger fighter and this is going to come into to play after the 4th as his shots really start to wear the much smaller pacman down. while DLH isn't a one punch knockout guy, he surely has proven he has a substantial knockout flurries especially after he lands one big shot.

chin/stamina: DLH: This is to tough to call, both of them have proven to be able to take shots, but DLH gets this because of his ability to stand and bang with much larger fighters with much more power then pac

Heart: pacman: gotta love a guy willing to go after the much larger DLH, even though it is a win-win for pac, gotta give him props for testing himself like this...truly living up to his p4p #1 title

Style: DLH: this is why pacman losses this fight, his aggressive almost reckless style plays right into DLH's strengths(especially against a smaller fighter). Pacman will bang with DLH and eventually the power difference will end badly for the underdog.

other intangibles: Pacman has nothing to lose, DLH has a legacy to protect. I really think DLH is going to prove himself with this fight and he wants it bad. Its going to be a long night for Pacman if DLH is really as focused as he is coming off as.

prediction: The golden boy wins in round 8 via knockout executioner style. The pacman wins the first 2-3 rounds but once DLH gets in his rhythm he's really going to punish the smaller pacman, he won't use his speed advantage in a slick enough way to offset DLH's size and power.

What I know is that this is going to be a FIGHT, no sweet science boxing here, Pacman and DLH are both going to give as much as they get and in a fight like that anything can happen...

 

[KapayKapay]

I'm being the bad guy and taking on tons of bets for this fight. I am living in Manila now, so everyone here has PAC all the way. I love the dude, but I don't see him doing it this time, and there is money to be made if I am right.

 

[Stuey'sRevenge]

probably chose the quartey fight over the trinidad fight because we've seen plenty of oscar running on 24/7.

Nice one!

 

[rick_973]

extendz," SIZE DOES MATTER"

 

[dex10]

You Have To Look At Dlh Against Someone Who Is The Aggressor. He Is A Couter Puncher And Works Off The Jab. This Is A Perfect Fight For Dlh. Dlh Wins Easily.

 

[smithgr]

Think this will be an even match, DLH managed to bully Mayweather in the first half of their fight but then Mayweathers better conditioning(in addition to making DLH miss so much) allowed him to take over, reckon this fight may go the same way with Manny doing enough in the second half of the fight to edge a decision.

Hasn't stopped me putting cash on DLH knocking him out though

 

[Hofmeyr]

BTW, lol- HBO always plays a fight from each guy before a major PPV. For MAnny, they chose his last fight, David Diaz. For Oscar they chose his fight with Ike Quartey, almost 10 years ago. Just struck me funny.

lol, that's interesting. Kinda speaks volumes actually.

I remember back before one of Manny's recent fights (I think it his last steamrolling of Morales), people were saying Manny's too big to make weight and he he'll never make weight etc... Manny's gonna be comfortable in this fight I think and it's up only 17 lbs from that Morales fight, where Manny probably put back on about 10 lbs before the fight after weigh-in. Bottom line: Oscar's fucked, folks. Bet your kid's college fund on it, why not.

 

[Seano]

listen all you pacman lovers, I would love to see the underdog win like the next guy, but if you break it down...i don't see it going down the way your boy roach sees it.

Speed: Pacman: No surprise that Pac is the much quicker fighter and he's definatly going to land alot of shots on DLH, i think it's going to surprise him how fast he really is and it might throw off DLH's timing early. However don't be surprised if DLH isn't as slow as he should be at his age especially after undergoing the grueling conditioning up in big bear.

Power: DLH: it's pretty obvious that DLH is the much bigger fighter and this is going to come into to play after the 4th as his shots really start to wear the much smaller pacman down. while DLH isn't a one punch knockout guy, he surely has proven he has a substantial knockout flurries especially after he lands one big shot.

chin/stamina: DLH: This is to tough to call, both of them have proven to be able to take shots, but DLH gets this because of his ability to stand and bang with much larger fighters with much more power then pac

Heart: pacman: gotta love a guy willing to go after the much larger DLH, even though it is a win-win for pac, gotta give him props for testing himself like this...truly living up to his p4p #1 title

Style: DLH: this is why pacman losses this fight, his aggressive almost reckless style plays right into DLH's strengths(especially against a smaller fighter). Pacman will bang with DLH and eventually the power difference will end badly for the underdog.

other intangibles: Pacman has nothing to lose, DLH has a legacy to protect. I really think DLH is going to prove himself with this fight and he wants it bad. Its going to be a long night for Pacman if DLH is really as focused as he is coming off as.

prediction: The golden boy wins in round 8 via knockout executioner style. The pacman wins the first 2-3 rounds but once DLH gets in his rhythm he's really going to punish the smaller pacman, he won't use his speed advantage in a slick enough way to offset DLH's size and power.

What I know is that this is going to be a FIGHT, no sweet science boxing here, Pacman and DLH are both going to give as much as they get and in a fight like that anything can happen...

Speed- agree Manny.
Power- Sure- Oscar
chin/Stamina- youre crazy if you think DLH has good stamina. Every single loss hes had had been because hes faded midway through the fight.
chin- debatable too- I'll say Oscar just because of Oscars experience with bigger guys, but the only times I recall manny being hurt were an illegal punch from Barrera and early in his fight with whats his name just recently.
heart-surely Manny
style- meh Can't say till gloves are flying.

The last paragraph I bet will prove to be false. I suspect manny surprises everyone here.

 

[seanjackson!!!**]

You are basing all this on how Manny was as a 130lber... Good luck with that way of thinking.

I will admit, though, that Pac has impressed me with his training. He still has his vaunted speed and might very well make it interesting for awhile.

But he wont be pulling away with the W.

i agree. i am a De La Hoya fan but objectively speaking, De La Hoya will be the naturally biggetr fighter which made a huge difference against him in the hopkins fight. Pac-man has the advantage of youth, speed, south paw stance which has given De La Hoya trouble in the past, punches in bunches, swarms fighters, among other things. De La Hoya i believe will be to big for Pac-man. the only Q: that remains is what does De La Hoya have left? if he has it, he will take out Pac-man no problem. if however, De La Hoya has slowed down a lot, the power isn't there, we could see what we saw when Hatton fought Kosta. time will tell. i am predicting De La Hoya to use his jab, size, and ring generalship to out box Pac-man, hit, hurt, and end it be it the left hook or a barrage of punches.

WAR De La Hoya

 

[Ralph Wiggum]

I'll take you up on that. I pick Manny. You pick Oscar. Whoever loses has to punctuate all their posts for the following week with this phrase:

I PICKED OSCAR/MANNY AND LOST. I'M NOT ONLY A FOOL BUT A BITCH TOO.

How's that?

Intriguing, how about loser just makes that his sig and has to keep it for a month?

 

[lukewall]

Manny wins but not by KO.

I'm caling Manny by split decision.


Honestly though, the KO is not as outlandish as some think. Oscar will get hit alot in this fight.

the Pacman is the fighter with the bigger defensive liability. And with his pressure style, Pacman is going to get hit harder than he's ever been hit in that ring when he tries to walk in the front door.

 

[lukewall]

Oscar has one two opptions in this fight:
1. Ster traps for Manny, allow him to come in and attempt to put him away with the counter left hook.
2. Jab his way to a decision.

yeah....that's the only 2 options DLH has.

He can't go to the body early on the smaller man and get him out of there in the middle rounds.
He can't use that jab to set up any other punches.
He can't use that double left hook, a common tool against leftys, to score and wear down pacman.

Actually, its pacman that has limited options against DLH because of his style and choice of trainer. Freddie Roach was a fighter that couldn't box very well, so he's not going to show pacman how to use his feet, hand speed, and defense to outpoint DLH.

 

[Seano]

the Pacman is the fighter with the bigger defensive liability. And with his pressure style, Pacman is going to get hit harder than he's ever been hit in that ring when he tries to walk in the front door.

I don't think that will be Mannys strategy.

Look if Manny walks out and takes the center of the ring looking to exchange, then I'll be the first person to say, "wow. stupid pick by me."

We've seen over and over, just because a guy fights one way at a low weight, doesn't mean hes the same guy a weight class or 2 higher.

Everyone expects Oscar to use his size because that his advantage right? So what do people think? Manny and Freddie Roach are retards? Manny is going to use his advantages and in this fight, power isn't it.

Prepare for another disappointing DLH PPV if all of you are expecting a toe to toe war friends.

 

[lukewall]

I don't think that will be Mannys strategy.

Look if Manny walks out and takes the center of the ring looking to exchange, then I'll be the first person to say, "wow. stupid pick by me."

We've seen over and over, just because a guy fights one way at a low weight, doesn't mean hes the same guy a weight class or 2 higher.

Everyone expects Oscar to use his size because that his advantage right? So what do people think? Manny and Freddie Roach are retards? Manny is going to use his advantages and in this fight, power isn't it.

Prepare for another disappointing DLH PPV if all of you are expecting a toe to toe war friends.

I'll be completely surprised if pacman comes out jabbing, moving his head, and using his feet and lateral movement to outpoint Oscar. If a guy has worked 1 style his entire career, its hard for them to just up and change that midway through their career...especially when they're with the same trainer.

Let's face it, you're only going to learn as much from your trainer as they know....and Freddie Roach isn't a boxer. The closest thing Roach had to a boxer wa Brian Villoria, and Villoria lost his belt to an underdog with roach.