Out of these boxers (Tournament) - Who's the 2 best? (The Finals)

[smooth assassin]

Pep and Robinson

 

[Badr Hari]

prime jones embarrasses ali, if we’re being completely honest. no one has ever been farther ahead of their competition than jones.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

prime jones embarrasses ali, if we’re being completely honest. no one has ever been farther ahead of their competition than jones.

Jones' problem is quality of opposition. Ali fought a who's who of all time greats.

 

[ssx]

I went Sugar Ray Robinson and Roy Jones Jr.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Jones' problem is quality of opposition. Ali fought a who's who of all time greats.

i completely agree. but roy fought his (smaller) share of all time greats as well and made every one of them look completely lost

 

[deucesarewild]

From this list the two best are SRR and Armstrong. It's ridiculous though Greb and Charles didn't make it in the finals.

Yup. But a lot of people don't know boxing before the T.V. era so it is what it is.

 

[defjaam]

Yup. But a lot of people don't know boxing before the T.V. era so it is what it is.

So how do you judge Harry Greb? By reading resumes on boxrec for hours?

 

[Takes_Two_To_Tango]

So how do you judge Harry Greb? By reading resumes on boxrec for hours?

That's a very good question. Probably just read his Wiki and Boxrec like you said.

Or read some of his biographies. There some good ones on Amazon. Even Bill Paxton published a book about Greb...interesting.

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=harry+gr...harry+greb,aps,162&ref=nb_sb_ss_ts-doa-p_1_10

 

[deucesarewild]

So how do you judge Harry Greb? By reading resumes on boxrec for hours?

Two things: 1. I was not criticizing TS because of his polls. Just to clear any potential misconceptions on that.

2. If you are an actual aficionado, and not some casual, then there are plenty of interviews and firsthand accounts about him. Plenty of objective texts. Should we ignore ancient Greek philosophy and the contributions of their great thinkers to western thought because we've never heard the sound of their voice, or the cadence to their teachings? By deeply immersing yourself in the sport, and not obsessing about 1 fighter by going through boxrec and reading resumes (which speaks to how ONE should not go about driving away ignorance, don't go and do that defjaam, that's just plain dumb). But by reading the stuff, tons of it, because it's truly interesting...well then you learn more about 1 fighter as a byproduct of knowing so much more about an area of interest. You learn about context and you are more informed about everything.

A lot of losers will skim boxrec or wiki and think they "get" something better.

 

[defjaam]

Two things: 1. I was not criticizing TS because of his polls. Just to clear any potential misconceptions on that.

2. If you are an actual aficionado, and not some casual, then there are plenty of interviews and firsthand accounts about him. Plenty of objective texts. Should we ignore ancient Greek philosophy and the contributions of their great thinkers to western thought because we've never heard the sound of their voice, or the cadence to their teachings? By deeply immersing yourself in the sport, and not obsessing about 1 fighter by going through boxrec and reading resumes (which speaks to how ONE should not go about driving away ignorance, don't go and do that defjaam, that's just plain dumb). But by reading the stuff, tons of it, because it's truly interesting...well then you learn more about 1 fighter as a byproduct of knowing so much more about an area of interest. You learn about context and you are more informed about everything.

A lot of losers will skim boxrec or wiki and think they "get" something better.

That's a useless cross comparison. Philosophy is literature, and literature you read.
Sports you watch... And I don't think I said that they should be ignored.

 

[reflector]

All eight finalists were amazing boxers. I went with Willie Pep and Henry Armstrong.

 

[patos]

Solid list, wish Joe Louis was on there though, I'd have given him one of my votes.

 

[panem-et-circenses]

I don’t think anyone will catch Sugar ray. It is really down to Ali and Duran.

 

[Takes_Two_To_Tango]

I don’t think anyone will catch Sugar ray. It is really down to Ali and Duran.

Yes I agree, It's who's going to finish second and third. That's the real race.

 

[Blazeblack]

prime jones embarrasses ali, if we’re being completely honest. no one has ever been farther ahead of their competition than jones.

I’m of the opinion that Ali would have struggled against a prime Roy. Ali had a hard time with guys that had a mean left hook. So head to head I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Roy edges out Ali. But that wouldn’t make him a greater fighter than Ali.

 

[Codpiece]

SRR and Duran for me. If I had a third vote it’d go to RJ, his peak was insane.

 

[Codpiece]

Solid list, wish Joe Louis was on there though, I'd have given him one of my votes.

Same

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

I’m of the opinion that Ali would have struggled against a prime Roy. Ali had a hard time with guys that had a mean left hook. So head to head I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Roy edges out Ali. But that wouldn’t make him a greater fighter than Ali.

he definitely doesn’t have a resumé that can stand against ali’s. prime-for-prime, i pick roy against damn near anybody.

 

[Takes_Two_To_Tango]

So the top 5 according to this tournament. Well thus far is. (2 & 3 are very close obviously.)

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Li
3. Roberto Durán
4. Floyd Mayweather Jr. (Tied)
4. Roy Jones Jr. (Tied)

 

[Misery Signals]

So the top 5 according to this tournament. Well thus far is. (2 & 3 are very close obviously.)

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Li
3. Roberto Durán
4. Floyd Mayweather Jr. (Tied)
4. Roy Jones Jr. (Tied)

I got to vote for Robinson and Armstrong in the finals which I would have voted for over anyone else anyway so I'm happy.