Open Borders Day

[Jack V Savage]

I think most libertarians who are currently opposed to illegal immigration are opposed to it because of the existence of the welfare state.

Which is a valid concern IMO.

Of course. Right-wing libertarianism is an incoherent ideology used by the rich to justify using the state to conduct class warfare and used by neo-confederates to promote white nationalism.

 

[oldshadow]

Lol. This is what I mean.

A few guys like this have no sway over the conservative/Republican base. At Republican rallies, this point of view is completely, totally absent. Only a couple of unknown, small-time Republican congressmen support amnesty.

And it worked out so well the last time a Republican supported amnesty.

 

[James Keith]

Lol. This is what I mean.

A few guys like this have no sway over the conservative/Republican base. At Republican rallies, this point of view is completely, totally absent. Only a couple of unknown, small-time Republican congressmen support amnesty.

Well I can't think of a better example of how Libertarians are secretly closet Republicans, than Republican congressmen and their supporters at Republican rallies...

Last I heard the Libertarian party does not support open borders anymore because of the terrorist attacks. They used to.

 

[James Keith]

Of course. Right-wing libertarianism is an incoherent ideology used by the rich to justify using the state to conduct class warfare and used by neo-confederates to promote white nationalism.

Well that just stinks of the one world government agenda.

oh you kids and your conspiracy theories...

 

[ben236]

Of course. Right-wing libertarianism is an incoherent ideology used by the rich to justify using the state to conduct class warfare and used by neo-confederates to promote white nationalism.

Well that was random...

 

[Jack V Savage]

Well that was random...

No, it was a comment on another example of libertarians throwing their alleged values aside when it comes to class-warfare/white nationalist issues.

 

[livingdeadmoose]

Most people who are for open borders have never lived close to U.S/Mexico border.

 

[LucasWithLidOff]

Shit thread; shit poster.

 

[Cocrehamster]

I just seen libertarianism as very citizen-centric. If you aren't a citizen, they don't really seem to give a shit about you. Hence, no aid money, no bombs, just isolate us from the rest of the world.

You should probably talk less about libertarianism until you learn something about it. Libertarians who believe in open borders are typically those who believe in natural rights, one of which being the freedom to travel.

 

[crowded]

No, it was a comment on another example of libertarians throwing their alleged values aside when it comes to class-warfare/white nationalist issues.

What are the other examples again?

If not having open borders is racist then tell me which countries aren't racists (ie they allow free inflows of people)?

 

[Calmete]

Of course. Right-wing libertarianism is an incoherent ideology used by the rich to justify using the state to conduct class warfare and used by neo-confederates to promote white nationalism.

And sherdog has now become the other side of the stormfront spectrum.

 

[Jack V Savage]

What are the other examples again?

If not having open borders is racist then tell me which countries aren't racists (ie they allow free inflows of people)?

Unions are another example, but you're (again) lying about what I said.

And sherdog has now become the other side of the stormfront spectrum.

Nah, Sherdog is still mostly on the same side as Stormfront.

 

[crowded]

Unions are another example, but you're (again) lying about what I said.

What about unions?

http://www.lp.org/platform

We support repeal of all laws which impede the ability of any person to find employment. We oppose government-fostered forced retirement. We support the right of free persons to associate or not associate in labor unions, and an employer should have the right to recognize or refuse to recognize a union. We oppose government interference in bargaining, such as compulsory arbitration or imposing an obligation to bargain.

...and I think you're lying about me lying. Most don't construe questions as falsehoods so you're not making any sense right now, other than probably putting up a weak attempt to avoid the tangent that you introduced. But go ahead and explain the white nationalism comment then. Maybe I misinterpreted.

 

[ben236]

No, it was a comment on another example of libertarians throwing their alleged values aside when it comes to class-warfare/white nationalist issues.

Not really. I have no problems with illegal immigration as long as welfare isn't involved. Hell, I believe they should be allowed drivers licenses as well since it essentially increases their productivity.

I basically hold the Friedman view on immigration.

 

[Jack V Savage]

What about unions?

Their opposition to unions. ???

...and I think you're lying about me lying. Most don't construe questions as falsehoods so you're not making any sense right now, other than probably putting up a weak attempt to avoid the tangent that you introduced. But go ahead and explain the white nationalism comment then. Maybe I misinterpreted.

This was your question:

"If not having open borders is racist then tell me which countries aren't racists (ie they allow free inflows of people)?"

So the question has a conditional clause, which is a position you are ascribing to me despite my not having expressed it (and not believing it). And now you are unconvincingly playing dumb about it.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Last I heard the Libertarian party does not support open borders anymore because of the terrorist attacks. They used to.

Well, they must fervently support amnesty then.

Millions of workers and potential workers are already here. Give them and the employers all the tools to compete in an open market. Let them contribute to the tax base instead of just leeching off of it.

As a supporter of amnesty, I'm thrilled to have discovered I have so many libertarian allies!

We can do it, guys!

 

[Jack V Savage]

Well, they must fervently support amnesty then.

Millions of workers and potential workers are already here. Give them and the employers all the tools to compete in an open market. Let them contribute to the tax base instead of just leeching off of it.

As a supporter of amnesty, I'm thrilled to have discovered I have so many libertarian allies!

We can do it, guys!

They support free movement of labor, but only on the condition that the social safety net be completely dissolved, which, of course, would require the abolition of democratic gov't. So, yeah, any day now, right-wing libertarians are going to join the fight.

 

[ben236]

They support free movement of labor, but only on the condition that the social safety net be completely dissolved, which, of course, would require the abolition of democratic gov't. So, yeah, any day now, right-wing libertarians are going to join the fight.

In what way does denying welfare to illegals require the abolition of democratic government?

 

[Jack V Savage]

In what way does denying welfare to illegals require the abolition of democratic government?

Did you and crowded go to the same propaganda school?

 

[ben236]

Did you and crowded go to the same propaganda school?

Nope.

Care to answer now?