Once Maia retires...

[Estudante]

Rodolfo Vieira who just signed with the UFC will take Maia's place as the best BJJ specialist in MMA.

Let's see if he can actually implement wrestling into his mma game. His last fights were kinda disappointing even though he won all. Piechota is a good test since he has good bjj.

 

[TapMachine]

Again, you make no sense. What top grapplers have Khabib or Askren submitted? Their bjj looks great against non elite grapplers. See how that works and how your logic is flawed?

It makes perfect sense to someone with an actual brain. Khabib outgrappled RDA, Askren outgrappled Aoki <45>. If you don't consider them elite grapplers, then you're retarded. Submissions have nothing to do with this discussion, BJJ proficiency is not measured in number of submissions a fighter can pull off in his career. Arona barely had any submission wins in his MMA career either, yet was one of the best BJJ practitioners to have ever competed in MMA.

 

[jpak]

Ryan Hall
Garry Tonon
Ben Askren

 

[Area809]

It makes perfect sense to someone with an actual brain. Khabib outgrappled RDA, Askren outgrappled Aoki <45>. If you don't consider them elite grapplers, then you're retarded. Submissions have nothing to do with this discussion, BJJ proficiency is not measured in number of submissions a fighter can pull off in his career. Arona barely had any submission wins in his MMA career either, yet was one of the best BJJ practitioners to have ever competed in MMA.

Don’t even mention Arona. People like him are the reason why submission only tournaments are necessary. Dude’s probably the least dynamic of all the adcc champions to compete in mma. BJJ proficiency is not measure by submissions? The fuck you talking about. There’s a reason why the two modem day bjj GOATs are Roger Gracie and Marcelo Garcia—because they were finishing people in tournaments while others were fucking with the rules to win by points.

Maia’s grappling is one dimensional because he can’t wrestle with Woodly? That’s the most ignorant comment ever. It’s not like Woodly was trying to engage Maia in any grappling. Maia can wrestle, not as well as a lifelong wrestler, but he can wrestle and outwrestles most of his opponents.

Anderson neutralized DC’s top game on short notice. No one says DC is not proficient as an mma grapplers. He simply ran into a guy that had an answer for his game.

Also bringing up Aoki vs Askren? Askren should win that all the time—likely outweighed the guy by 15-20 lbs on fight night. Idk what’s wrong with you.

 

[Area809]

Let's see if he can actually implement wrestling into his mma game. His last fights were kinda disappointing even though he won all. Piechota is a good test since he has good bjj.

Last 3 fights were first round submissions.

 

[Estudante]

Last 3 fights were first round submissions.

Yeah I know, but he still seems underdeveloped on the feet.

 

[Fahcough]

Maia isn't on some crazy high unreachable level. He's not even the best submission guy in UFC. Limited boring arsenal that he can't even impose half the time. More of a hold n hugger with more time to work bc the refs don't stand only him up as fast for doing nothing. Hopefully there's not another one like that.

 

[Area809]

Yeah I know, but he still seems underdeveloped on the feet.

He’s only been doing mma for two years.

 

[Area809]

Maia isn't on some crazy high unreachable level. He's not even the best submission guy in UFC. Limited boring arsenal that he can't even impose half the time. More of a hold n hugger with more time to work bc the refs don't stand only him up as fast for doing nothing. Hopefully there's not another one like that.

Who is the best submission guy in the UFC?

 

[Fahcough]

Who is the best submission guy in the UFC?

 

[Area809]

One could counter by saying Maia is submitting higher level competition.

 

[Goldentrophy]

Khabib is much more well rounded
Much better wrestling and standup

I think kron gracie has a chance of being pretty much exactly the same type of fighter Maia was

Not sure about "much more well rounded" Maia's wrestling is possibly on par with Khabib's BJJ and they both master one art, wrestling for Khabib and BJJ for Maia. As for striking Khabib primarily boxes much like Maia but Khabib has out-striked more people than Maia so he isn't more well rounded just he has better boxing/S&C

 

[Lint]

Style wise Khabib is no different than Demian really. Just athletically stronger.

Demian is much more finish-oriented, likewise most BJJ fighters.

 

[Fahcough]

One could counter by saying Maia is submitting higher level competition.

But he's not, he's losing to it.

 

[Area809]

But he's not, he's losing to it.

Not really. He’s fought for the title twice, whereas Oliviera has never cracked the top 5. Oliveira is getting all these submissions against lesser talent.

 

[Fahcough]

Not really. He’s fought for the title twice, whereas Oliviera has never cracked the top 5. Oliveira is getting all these submissions against lesser talent.

But he's getting them. Faster, with more variety and style points. Not the same RNC over and over after 10 minutes on someone's back with hooks in and still can't get entry level choke in.
Derailing main topic: Hopefully there's not another offensive BJJ ground flopper any time soon.

 

[HHJ]

k-1 Maia is a well rounded mma encyclopedic blend of mma styles

 

[Andreh]

Lots of guys.

Khabib a submission wrestler.

Conor a boxer.

Adesanya a kickboxer.

Colby the wrestler.

Ngannou the athlete.

You just won’t have any BJJ specialists at the top levels because BJJ sucks.

All wrong...

 

[TapMachine]

Don’t even mention Arona. People like him are the reason why submission only tournaments are necessary. Dude’s probably the least dynamic of all the adcc champions to compete in mma. BJJ proficiency is not measure by submissions? The fuck you talking about. There’s a reason why the two modem day bjj GOATs are Roger Gracie and Marcelo Garcia—because they were finishing people in tournaments while others were fucking with the rules to win by points.

Maia’s grappling is one dimensional because he can’t wrestle with Woodly? That’s the most ignorant comment ever. It’s not like Woodly was trying to engage Maia in any grappling. Maia can wrestle, not as well as a lifelong wrestler, but he can wrestle and outwrestles most of his opponents.

Anderson neutralized DC’s top game on short notice. No one says DC is not proficient as an mma grapplers. He simply ran into a guy that had an answer for his game.

Also bringing up Aoki vs Askren? Askren should win that all the time—likely outweighed the guy by 15-20 lbs on fight night. Idk what’s wrong with you.

Wait, you seriously think BJJ level of skill is indicated by number of subs a person has in his career? Enjoy never being taken seriously ever again. And why shouldn't I mention Arona - one of the greatest ADCC champs? Because it doesn't fit your retarded narrative? Get the fuck out of here, you have no clue what you're talking about.

Don't like the weight disparity between Askren and Aoki? Askren completely dominated BJJ blackbelt Lima on the ground as well. You have to be completely ignorant about Askren to even imply that he's just a wrestler and not a complete grappler, same goes for Khabib.

With all due respect to Maia, he is a one discipline specialist, he's not a well rounded grappler. His level of wrestling is nowhere near enough to be competitive with the top fighters in the division who happen to be strong wrestlers. Maia's level of wrestling skill is too low for the level of competition he's fighting - the absolute top.

 

[Area809]

Wait, you seriously think BJJ level of skill is indicated by number of subs a person has in his career? Enjoy never being taken seriously ever again. And why shouldn't I mention Arona - one of the greatest ADCC champs? Because it doesn't fit your retarded narrative? Get the fuck out of here, you have no clue what you're talking about.

Don't like the weight disparity between Askren and Aoki? Askren completely dominated BJJ blackbelt Lima on the ground as well. You have to be completely ignorant about Askren to even imply that he's just a wrestler and not a complete grappler, same goes for Khabib.

With all due respect to Maia, he is a one discipline specialist, he's not a well rounded grappler. His level of wrestling is nowhere near enough to be competitive with the top fighters in the division who happen to be strong wrestlers. Maia's level of wrestling skill is too low for the level of competition he's fighting - the absolute top.

How crazy is it of me to think that submissions is the number one goal in bjj, I’m not giving Arona and the like credit for purposely stalling out opponents. You can find interviews with Marcelo, Kron and others talking about how they don’t respect those tactics. Never said Askren is just a wrestler dumbass, I’m saying Maia is not just a bjj grappler. By the way, Askren’s victory against Aoki didn’t impress anyone but you. Can Maia take down Woodly? Maybe once in a hundred tries, but you know what Woodly can’t do? Pass his guard, take his back and definitely won’t submit him. But just because Woodly can’t do that, no one is going to say Woodly is just a wrestler when it comes to grappling.