O'malley Yan may have been a robbery...

[Bradillac]

That's extremely interesting, but after viewing it several times over, I'm unable to find the part where it states that the figher who lands less strikes, is hit with the hardest strikes, is walked down, slammed on his head, and controlled on the ground for two rounds, manages to win either round?

Evidently you've found it, I guess I'm just looking for a moment in round 1 more significant than this.

You can't be serious with this lol. Sean landed on the ground so gently (not on his head, so that's another fabrication from you) and Yan did nothing with the little amount of top control he had. Then Sean gets back to his feet and finishes the round right back where he was before outsriking Yan.

 

[Cat Biscuits]

Yan lost and all the whining and cope from the Yanablers will not change the result

Cry more

Yes, because robberies are a thing. But you seem angered at the fact that literally everyone had Yan winning because you know it's true. I don't give a shit about what "official" results say. People fuck up all the time, and people who aren't biased dick sucking fans know who won the fight.

Judging has always been the worst thing about MMA. Even dana put a banner up on the ultimate fighter because even someone at his level of dealing with shit knows you can't trust the judges.

You can try to hide behind what the results say, but you can't argue for shit that you're part of an extremely small group of delusional fucktards that can't accept that Yan won. Your opinion is shit and means nothing if you can't discern who actually won the fight.

You wouldn't be so triggered if you didn't know deep down that Omalley lost.

 

[Langinbang187]

You can't be serious with this lol. Sean landed on the ground so gently (not on his head, so that's another fabrication from you) and Yan did nothing with the little amount of top control he had. Then Sean gets back to his feet and finishes

I was clearly being hyperbolic about the fact that Yan lifted him above his head and slammed him down, controlled him....outstruck him and walked down.

Quit deflecting and respond to the question, or simply do what you should have done a long time ago, pack up your L and move on instead of being a stubborn child who doesn't know when to quit.

 

[maximus__]

Yes in round 1 Sean landed the more impactful strikes throughout the round, I'm honestly not sure how you can argue otherwise. Sean was landing his straight right and stiff jab throughout the round while Yan was unable to land anything significant. You're right, it wasn't even striking wise, Sean had the clear advantage.

What did O'malley land of any significance? He didn't land a single strike for 1;30 at the start of the round. He lands two straight punches only to the head. The rest are low kicks or strikes against the cage before he gets taken down.
Yan backs him up, lands multiple head shots, body kicks and low kicks which had him retreating across the cage. If head strikes is your criteria Yan actually beats him in the first. That's all before he gets picked up and dumped on the ground with follow up ground and pound and controlled.He even lands a knee as O'malley gets up off the ground against the cage along with more shots.

You don't even know what happened in the first round. O'malley didn't land many head shots that round at all.

 

[DestinedAussie]

...but the stats don't lie. O'malley was piecing up the best striker we have seen in BW history on the feet. Yan did have a few good shots but in the third round, O'malleys strike difference with Yan was pretty outstanding. Even if Yan had one, O'malleys stock has risen considerably as he literally went toe to toe with arguably the best BW in the world. at the very least imo, he deserves to be thought of as top 5 right now.

Clearly not best BW in the world. Lost to Sterling twice.

 

[richardjohnson]

O'Malley haters are everywhere, the fans, the media and that fat fuck in the announcer booth - Coming up with their narrative on how it was a robbery. It would have been this no matter what happened if it were a decision.

O'malley breaks his own leg against Chito and falls over, and the haters call it a domination.

Munhoz fakes an eye poke, and haters are all like O'Malley should have been DQ'd, and still hasn't been tested.

Thankfully, judges aren't haters and stupid statements about robberies aren't going to change the facts that the judges saw - O'Malley was lighting Yan up on the feet, and Yan's takedowns didn't do shit. The correct fighter won.

You’ve got to be trolling, right? The leg injury was caused by Chito kicking him and he legitimately fouled Munhoz in a fight he was losing.

 

[Bradillac]

What did O'malley land of any significance? He didn't land a single strike for 1;30 at the start of the round. He lands two straight punches only to the head. The rest are low kicks or strikes against the cage before he gets taken down.
Yan backs him up, lands multiple head shots, body kicks and low kicks which had him retreating across the cage. If head strikes is your criteria Yan actually beats him in the first. That's all before he gets picked up and dumped on the ground with follow up ground and pound and controlled.He even lands a knee as O'malley gets up off the ground against the cage along with more shots.

You don't even know what happened in the first round. O'malley didn't land many head shots that round at all.

Ok, you're not being honest with yourself or with me. He lands multiple front kicks to the body, 2 or 3 straight lefts and then a big right hand (the biggest strike of the round) at about 3:15 left in the fight. He then lands a leg kick and another nice right hand all while Yan has only been able to land some kicks. He then lands a leg kick and a hard jab before Yan shoots and fails on the td. Sean then goes back to work landing a couple glancing shots and some more jabs. Yan has been unable to land a clean head strike for the first 3 and a half minutes of the round and he has a lot of work to do to catch up. Yan then lands a couple of nice shots gets the TD with 1:30 left in the fight. He holds him there for about 40 seconds unable to land any strikes or attack any subs. Sean then gets back up and unleashes a couple combos on Yan that are partially blocked. Sean then shoots his own TD and briefly gets Yan's back before the round ends. In the whole round Yan wasn't able to land one clean head strike at range, only landing some leg and body kicks..... It was a clear round for Sean.

 

[spinitch]

Decision aside Sean did perform well against a tough Yan.

 

[Bradillac]

I was clearly being hyperbolic about the fact that Yan lifted him above his head and slammed him down, controlled him....outstruck him and walked down.

Quit deflecting and respond to the question, or simply do what you should have done a long time ago, pack up your L and move on instead of being a stubborn child who doesn't know when to quit.

What question? What you're claiming happened in the fight didn't happen. Again this just tells me it's emotion that's guiding your opinion on the fight because you and maximus are fabricating what happened in that round.

 

[ferrisjso]

Apparently this fight joins GSP v Hendricks as the only robberys where 100 percent of the media scored it for the loser.

That being said most people had it 2-1 and Yan was heavily favored so it would still have been a positive outcome for O Malley and a negative one for Yan even if it had been scored for Yan. Looking at the fight stats O Malley outstruck Yan by a lot even though this margin came entirely in the third round. The issue seems to be all 3 judges giving O Malley round 1.

 

[Bradillac]

Apparently this fight joins GSP v Hendricks as the only robberys where 100 percent of the media scored it for the loser.

That being said most people had it 2-1 and Yan was heavily favored so it would still have been a positive outcome for O Malley and a negative one for Yan even if it had been scored for Yan. Looking at the fight stats O Malley outstruck Yan by a lot even though this margin came entirely in the third round. The issue seems to be all 3 judges giving O Malley round 1.

All 3 judges gave Sean the 3rd. Judges were split on the 1st, which is understandable since it was a relatively close round while watching live. But when you rewatch it and actually dissect the 1st round it becomes clearer that Sean won it.

 

[ferrisjso]

All 3 judges gave Sean the 3rd. Judges were split on the 1st, which is understandable since it was a relatively close round while watching live. But when you rewatch it and actually dissect the 1st round it becomes clearer that Sean won it.

It was a typical 2-1 coinflip decision but still 100% of the MMA media had their coinflip for the loser. It wasn't an outrageous decision but that's 26 people. Also apparently 7 of them had it 3-0 Yan.

 

[Langinbang187]

What question? What you're claiming happened in the fight didn't happen. Again this just tells me it's emotion that's guiding your opinion on the fight because you and maximus are fabricating what happened in that round.

Yan didn't outland him, take him down, control the center of the octagon, land the harder strikes, control O'Malley on the ground during round 1?

That's interesting, I have the fight recorded, have re-watched several times and it's more even more one sided in round 1 than I previously thought, have the "fight stats" which are an genuinely extremely flawed way to attempt to score a fight, but that has been your consistent wagon for hours now that you continually grasp at :

It's over dude, why can't you let it go?

 

[Langinbang187]

It was a typical 2-1 coinflip decision but still 100% of the MMA media had their coinflip for the loser. It wasn't an outrageous decision but that's 26 people. Also apparently 7 of them had it 3-0 Yan.

What are the odds of 26 people calling tails, and the coin landing that way? As well as the bookies, live bettors, 90% of the individuals who watched and voted on the fight?

It's okay to admit the decision was bad, these things happen, far more often than they should in combat sports, this is no anomaly, it's simply worse than usual.

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

Cuts and blood don't mean shit. Glancing blows have caused plenty of cuts. Are you new here?

Also, no. Sean did not outstrike Yan overall.

UFC stats show Yan landed 97 of 139 strikes. Omalley with 91 of 171.

Look again: http://ufcstats.com/fight-details/5c3c4bcc6c746ca0

Cuts are actually among the most important scoring criteria in the new rules. I had Yan winning rounds one and two and still think it was a bad decision but there’s no way he won round three. And cuts do matter now.

 

[ki11ian]

Yeh, no lol.

The fan scores don't mean a thing. All that shows is that 88% who voted don't understand scoring.

The judging was good.

Suga landed cleaner strikes earlier in round 1. He had Yan hurt in that round. Yan hurt him also, but Suga's shots were more damaging. Cleaner strikes + more damage is enough to win the round. It was close, but that's how scoring works.

2nd round was Yan without any doubt.

In the third Suga was landing the better strikes. Most of Yan's offense was nothing more than tds that he failed to do anything with. Effective striking is valued more than takedowns that don't really lead to anything. And on top of that, Suga clearly had the biggest moment when he hurt Yan in that round badly. Yan didn't do anything like that back to him in that round. Cleaner strikes + clearly more damage + a far bigger moment beats less strikes, less damage, and tds that lead to nothing.

A case can be made for Yan 2-1 or Yan 3-0, but that doesn't mean another, possibly stronger case can be made for Suga 2-1.

It was a close fight, but it was no robbery.

O'Malley haters are everywhere, the fans, the media and that fat fuck in the announcer booth - Coming up with their narrative on how it was a robbery. It would have been this no matter what happened if it were a decision.

O'malley breaks his own leg against Chito and falls over, and the haters call it a domination.

Munhoz fakes an eye poke, and haters are all like O'Malley should have been DQ'd, and still hasn't been tested.

Thankfully, judges aren't haters and stupid statements about robberies aren't going to change the facts that the judges saw - O'Malley was lighting Yan up on the feet, and Yan's takedowns didn't do shit. The correct fighter won.

I really don’t know how you score the 3rd for Yan. Omalley landed way more shots and opened a big cut on Yan. Yan got a few takedowns and landed a few shots, but clearly O Malley won on damage.

It’s also not irrelevant if you scored the 1st for OMalley. I actually had Yan 29-28, but didn’t think this was a robbery at all.

Stop with that shit. I don’t hate O’Malley, I root for him but this is beyond silly. You are a complete fucking idiot if you think he won that fight, end of story.

There are no ”narratives” besides the one who tries to sanction the farcical outcome.

 

[Bradillac]

Yan didn't outland him, take him down, control the center of the octagon, land the harder strikes, control O'Malley on the ground during round 1?

That's interesting, I have the fight recorded, have re-watched several times and it's more even more one sided in round 1 than I previously thought, have the "fight stats" which are an genuinely extremely flawed way to attempt to score a fight, but that has been your consistent wagon for hours now that you continually grasp at :

It's over dude, why can't you let it go?

You posted a picture of the stats for the entire fight showing Sean landed 26 more significant strikes than Yan did.... Post a picture of the strikes per round and where they were landing. Let's see how many head strikes each guy landed. Do you think clean head strikes are worth more or less than leg kicks? The TD was not enough to outweigh the work Sean did on the feet in the first. Stop lying to yourself about what happened in the fight and you'll be much happier. No matter how many times you repeat the lie it's not going to change the results of the fight. I don't need to let it go because anyone can watch round 1 again and see that I'm right, so I have no issues continuing to argue lol.

 

[Cat Biscuits]

People are counting the takedowns as an important factor in this fight because the stats showed that Sean landed more significant strikes than Yan so the TDs are their equaliser.

In the second Sterling fight the stats show that Sterling both outstruck AND outgrappled Yan so in that fight they said the grappling was inconsequential and doesn't count, and that outlanded is not the same thing as outstruck.

Now the Yanablers are saying the inconsequential takedowns count and Yan outlanding Sean overall despite being outlanded in significant strikes all count for Yan.

It's a complete flip of their scoring criteria for the Sterling rematch.

Yanablers are just cherry picking the stats

When Yan is outgrappled and outlanded that doesn't matter. Takedowns don't count and outstruck > outlanded. Yan wins.

When Yan is outstruck again but lands some takedowns and lands more insignificant strikes, all of a sudden takedowns are king and outlanded > outstruck. Yan always wins no matter what.

Nothing but enabling towards Yan from the Yanablers.

Comically embarrassing at this point.

Jesus Christ you are seriously either the biggest Yan hater or biggest dumbass on sherdog. Do you even read the stats you claim to know?

Sterling did not outstrike Yan. Here are the stats:

Sterling total Sig Strikes: 62 of 110
Yan total Sig Strikes: 63 of 103

63>62

Sterling total strikes of the entire fight: 91 of 143
Yan total strikes of the entire fight: 139 of 186

139>91

No one is even arguing that Sterling didn't win rounds 2 and 3 where he was a backpack on Yan. Round 3 where he got another takedown, he only managed 1 significant ground strike out of it. Yan also outstruck him that round in both Sig and total strikes. He didn't do shit with it other than ride the round out. Yet, people still gave him the round because of that. Was it effective at all? No. Did it win him the round? Yes.

The two rounds that Sterling got takedowns are not contested by the vote. Not sure who you're talking to, but it seems like it's more in your hater head than it is argued among us. What is probably argued is that Sterlings takedowns and backpack control were not effective at all other than stalling the fight and banking easy rounds by holding on.

But what people are contesting is that Yan won rounds 1, 4, 5, but Yan got robbed of round 1.

Looking at round 1 which was close, by your logic we should ONLY look at significant strikes to the head, right?

The most important stats you should be looking at is where they were landing their strikes. Sean landed a lot more head strikes than Yan which typically have the most weight in scoring.

Sterling sig strikes to head of round 1: 5 of 22
Yan sig strikes to head of round 1: 7 of 20

Yan wins that round according to your criteria, right?

It was a close fight, unlike vs Omalley.



The reason people are counting the takedowns and control in Yan vs Omalley is because the standup was close enough that they needed a way to not score it a draw round. Those takedowns and control stood out in those rounds. Yan wasn't extremely effective with them, but they stood out in what looked like a draw round to many people.

But I believe that Yan won those close rounds with both striking and takedowns. Look here:

Yan won with a total of 97 strikes vs a total of 91 for Omalley. Yan had 6 takedowns, with 5:44 control time. Omalley had 0 takedowns, and 0:02 control.

Yan won round 1 with 28 vs 23 strikes. He had 1 takedown and 1:10 control time. Yan won this round.

Yan won round 2 with 45 vs 22 strikes. He had 3 takedowns and 2:42 control time. An easy round to score for Yan.

Round 3 was the closest, but it doesn't matter. Yan was already up 2 rounds and this was not a 10-8 for Omalley, which would have at best been a draw fight for him.

Looking at fan reaction, Yan won. And I typically do not care at all about media scoring, but it's worth noting that every single media outlet had it for Yan. Not one for Sean.

42.7% had Yan winning 29-28
34.5% had Yan winning 30-27

It's really not that hard to see if you're not as stupid as you are. The only thing comically embarrassing is your analysis. Quit sucking so much Omalley dick.

 

[Cat Biscuits]

Cuts are actually among the most important scoring criteria in the new rules. I had Yan winning rounds one and two and still think it was a bad decision but there’s no way he won round three. And cuts do matter now.

Glancing blows don't cause swelling. Blunt force causes swelling.

But cuts and bleeding can results from blows that barely land. It can also result from extended fingers or eye pokes.

Cuts are not a great indicator if the punch was impactful or not, especially if the judges can't see the slowmo replay that could distinguish that. Judging on cuts and blood is a poor indicator of damage done for judges who can't access cameras or replays.

Swelling and bruising on the other hand is a clear indication of a hard impact.

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

Glancing blows don't cause swelling. Blunt force causes swelling.

But cuts and bleeding can results from blows that barely land. It can also result from extended fingers or eye pokes.

Cuts are not a great indicator if the punch was impactful or not, especially if the judges can't see the slowmo replay that could distinguish that. Judging on cuts and blood is a poor indicator of damage done for judges who can't access cameras or replays.

Swelling and bruising on the other hand is a clear indication of a hard impact.

I agree with you but the new criteria clearly lists “lacerations” at the highest level of importance.