O'malley Yan may have been a robbery...

Exactly.
GSPenn1991 said:
I miss them. They nerfed wrestling big time because UFC hates wrestlers unless they are from Dagestan.
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So biased against grapplers period. I feel like since the new rules refs stand up fighters WAY too quickly. They’ll say it’s because they’re not advancing or throwing submission attempts but that shit can take time.

I remember GSP said that he thinks that rounds are a leftover from boxing and that regular fights should be a single, 15 minute round and titles and main events a 25 minute round. I would love to see that! Would be great for grapplers.
 
getupandfightsuckah! said:
Exactly.

So biased against grapplers period. I feel like since the new rules refs stand up fighters WAY too quickly. They’ll say it’s because they’re not advancing or throwing submission attempts but that shit can take time.

I remember GSP said that he thinks that rounds are a leftover from boxing and that regular fights should be a single, 15 minute round and titles and main events a 25 minute round. I would love to see that! Would be great for grapplers.
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The contender series is doing the same thing. Dana literally filters pit almost all wrestlers it's brutal.
 
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Langinbang187 said:
The reality is the vast majority of people who scored the fight for O'Malley very clearly did not actually tune into the fight, or have chosen to completely and totally block out these moments.

Sean lost the fight, just about everyone, and surely everyone with a brain in their skull recognizes this.
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There is no argument for O'malley to win the first if you score it by the criteria. Yan was pressing the action, landed the bigger shots and landed the above takedown. He won every criteria available in MMA judging. Even if someone says that the striking was equal, Yan still wins by being the one moving forward and initiating the action.
If you give the striking to O'malley and then also take into account the grappling, 2 takedowns one being a pick up slam with follow up ground and pound, you still need to score it for Yan.
Big takedown, leading to control and ground and pound in the most significant moment in that round. Even though I believe Yan also won the striking, if I give it to O'malley the takedown and follow up wins that round given the striking was still close no matter who you gave it to.

It's the definition of a robbery in that an MMA judge has no conceivable argument to score the first for O'malley.
 
maximus__ said:
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There is no argument for O'malley to win the first if you score it by the criteria. Yan was pressing the action, landed the bigger shots and landed the above takedown. He won every criteria available in MMA judging. Even if someone says that the striking was equal, Yan still wins by being the one moving forward and initiating the action.
If you give the striking to O'malley and then also take into account the grappling, 2 takedowns one being a pick up slam with follow up ground and pound, you still need to score it for Yan.
Big takedown, leading to control and ground and pound in the most significant moment in that round. Even though I believe Yan also won the striking, if I give it to O'malley the takedown and follow up wins that round given the striking was still close no matter who you gave it to.

It's the definition of a robbery in that an MMA judge has no conceivable argument to score the first for O'malley.
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No arguments here, I thought the decision was as clear as it gets, and have this down as one of the absolute worst robberies I've witnessed in my 20+ years of watching the sport. It was putrid, but I wasn't terribly surprised given how the UFC clearly views O'Malley as a potential moneymaker going forward.
 
Langinbang187 said:
No arguments here, I thought the decision was as clear as it gets, and have this down as one of the absolute worst robberies I've witnessed in my 20+ years of watching the sport. It was putrid, but I wasn't terribly surprised given how the UFC clearly views O'Malley as a potential moneymaker going forward.
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If there was anything dodgy in the decision it was stupid by the UFC. O'malley acquitted himself well in this fight. He exceeded expectations, but now he is set up for a massive fall. It's short term. If Yan had won, we get Sterling vs Yan 3. O'malley can go and build back up against a fringe contender (Cruz maybe) and then after Yan and Sterling settle things they could have sold O'malley as making Yan bleed in a 3 rounder and winning as it went into the last round. That moves him up the rankings for a shot with time to fix his issues vs Yan. Now he is facing Aljo with Merab waiting in the wings.

Yan will end up fighting down for his next fight and they will keep him away from the belt as long as possible. It's unfortunate because he showed he has made the changes to beat Aljo, but probably won't get there.
 
Bob Sagat said:
that's the entire point
the numbers are misleading, just like they are for sig strikes
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If you get cracked in the head 18 more times in only a 3 round fight, it's kinda hard to mislead that one.
 
Yan was a bloody mess at the end of the fight after getting beat up on the feet and the stats show Sean outstruck Yan overall

The supposed number 1 contender panic wrestling against someone outside the top 10

Only had some LnP control time that would make Fitch proud

Yan becoming a panic wrestler 6 times and just using LnP vs the striking battle which he clearly lost

If Yan was some disliked American wrestler nobody would think he won. It’s how you value things I guess
 
Langinbang187 said:
Stats always lie in MMA.

Sean landing a single jab, and Yan landing that huge counter that nearly knocked O'Malley unconscious in round 2 are technically both considered one significant strike each on paper.
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Very true. Not all strikes are equal, and MMA stats after a fight don't always tell the whole story.

It's all subjective when people try to discern what a significant strike is. What may be significant to one person, isn't to another person.

Yan had a total of 97 strikes vs 91 strikes. He also had 6 takedowns and 5:44 of control time.

I think Yan won the striking and had the better shots, but If the striking was close to dead even on the feet, Yan still put in more effort with his takedowns and control that gave him the edge to win the fight.
 
mangokush said:
Yan was a bloody mess at the end of the fight after getting beat up on the feet and the stats show Sean outstruck Yan overall
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Cuts and blood don't mean shit. Glancing blows have caused plenty of cuts. Are you new here?

Also, no. Sean did not outstrike Yan overall.

UFC stats show Yan landed 97 of 139 strikes. Omalley with 91 of 171.

Look again: http://ufcstats.com/fight-details/5c3c4bcc6c746ca0
 
This is the worst judging I have ever seen and I actually saw the Bisping-Hamill fight. If any fight decision should ever be overturned it is this fight.

if any fighter suddenly comes out and speaks in favour of Sean he or she is confirmed to be the biggest shill ever.
 
Cat Biscuits said:
Cuts and blood don't mean shit. Glancing blows have caused plenty of cuts. Are you new here?

Also, no. Sean did not outstrike Yan overall.

UFC stats show Yan landed 97 of 139 strikes. Omalley with 91 of 171.

Look again: http://ufcstats.com/fight-details/5c3c4bcc6c746ca0
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The most important stats you should be looking at is where they were landing their strikes. Sean landed a lot more head strikes than Yan which typically have the most weight in scoring.
 
mangokush said:
The most important stats you should be looking at is where they were landing their strikes. Sean landed a lot more head strikes than Yan which typically have the most weight in scoring.
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No. Body shots matter, leg strikes matter.

Yan landed the harder strikes, Omalley landed more jabs.

You're trying to cherry pick which strikes to count because you want to favor Omalley. Just stop, you look really stupid arguing that point of trying to discredit other forms of damage.
 
Cat Biscuits said:
No. Body shots matter, leg strikes matter.

Yan landed the harder strikes, Omalley landed more jabs.

You're trying to cherry pick which strikes to count because you want to favor Omalley. Just stop, you look really stupid arguing that point of trying to discredit other forms of damage.
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Yan lost and all the whining and cope from the Yanablers will not change the result

Cry more
 
People are counting the takedowns as an important factor in this fight because the stats showed that Sean landed more significant strikes than Yan so the TDs are their equaliser.

In the second Sterling fight the stats show that Sterling both outstruck AND outgrappled Yan so in that fight they said the grappling was inconsequential and doesn't count, and that outlanded is not the same thing as outstruck.

Now the Yanablers are saying the inconsequential takedowns count and Yan outlanding Sean overall despite being outlanded in significant strikes all count for Yan.

It's a complete flip of their scoring criteria for the Sterling rematch.

Yanablers are just cherry picking the stats

When Yan is outgrappled and outlanded that doesn't matter. Takedowns don't count and outstruck > outlanded. Yan wins.

When Yan is outstruck again but lands some takedowns and lands more insignificant strikes, all of a sudden takedowns are king and outlanded > outstruck. Yan always wins no matter what.

Nothing but enabling towards Yan from the Yanablers.

Comically embarrassing at this point.
 
This “panic wrestling” narrative is fucking ridiculous.
Yan beat up O’Malley everywhere. I know now why I’ve slowly moving away from the Ultimate Fucking Clownshow now.
 
Anyone saying the first and 3rd round couldn’t go either way is a liar. Don’t care about the stats.
 
dominion said:
If you get cracked in the head 18 more times in only a 3 round fight, it's kinda hard to mislead that one.
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most jabs don't 'crack' like that
o'malley posting his hand in your face and kind of pawing it around gets him easy uncontested points
 
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