Well the fight stats don't back any of that up... Sean walked Yan down the entire 3rd round, busted him up with a knee and landed double the total strikes that Yan did... That round has to go to Sean. The first round was so incredibly close that it's impossible to say that either of them clearly won it. Again, people are digging in their heels because of bias. I don't know if I've seen a fighter more hated on here than Sean. If Sean didn't get reckless after hurting Yan in the 2nd he could have sweeped all the rounds and people would still be claiming robbery.
O'malley Yan may have been a robbery...
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The majority of that control time was in the 2nd round which Yan won on all judges' scorecards. And it's already been noted that Yan didn't do much with that control time in the first place.
here's a stat for you
can you guess what fighter was on the left?
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that's the entire point
the numbers are misleading, just like they are for sig strikes
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Here we were 50/50 split on who we were rooting for. All 4 of us had it 29-28 Sean, 1and 3. I was shocked when I came here and seen the media scores.
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The fight stats show over 5 minutes of control time, but we're just going to ignore that? MMA statistics are massively flawed, for the literal reasons I mentioned in this very thread. You can crack an individual with an overhand right that leads to an individual doing the chicken dance and almost getting literally KO'd, and then proceed to get hit with a jab, they'll both be labelled "significant strikes", which is clearly a significant flaw, a solid reason for why you shouldn't just blindly look at numbers when looking as to who won the fight.
Bookies were heavily swayed in favor of Yan, I assure you they don't know, or give a shit who Sean O'Malley is. Everyone placing money while watching the fight live? The vast majority were putting their live money for Yan, I don't think they were willing to lose money because they "don't like Sean", I don't think 26 media outlets scored the fight in favor of Yan, while 0 scored it for Yan because they "Don't like Sean"
I think the overwhelming majority of individuals, the literal entire betting market scored the fight for Yan because they clearly thought that he won that fight.
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there is only one word for how that fight was scored, and it is baffling
Sure, you can't just look at the stats, you have to look at how impactful those stats actually were in the fight. R1 the stats were basically even and there weren't really any impactful moments that stood out. That round could go to either guy. In the 2nd, Yan had the bigger moments along with the control time so he gets it. In the 3rd Sean walked Yan down most of the round, landed twice the amount of strikes, and landed the most visibly impactful strike. I think It's really hard not to ive that round to Sean.
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What stats? The stats show that O'malley was out landed in 2/3 rounds.
http://ufcstats.com/fight-details/5c3c4bcc6c746ca0
Round 1 - Yan 19/31 sig strikes with 28/41 total strikes vs O'malley 23/55 sig strikes, with every strike deemed significant(WTF how?)
Round 2- Yan 24/39 sig strikes with 45/62 total strikes, 21/37 with 22/39 total for O'malley. (only 2 not deemed as a sig strike?)
Round 3- Yan 15/26 with 24/36 total strikes landed, O'malley 40/71, with 46/77 total strikes (this never happened lol)
They deemed that of the 91 strikes O'malley landed that 84 of them were considered significant.... We all saw that fight and those stats are complete bullshit even if you think O'malley won the fight.
We haven't even taken into account the grappling in the fight and Yan already won according to the "stats."
Edit"Yan also landed more strikes in total 97 to O'malleys 91, but apparently only landed 58 sig strikes even though his shots were much bigger the entire fight.
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Control time outweighs that, since that was completely lopsided vs the difference in sig strikes.
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Yan's takedown in the first was where he picked him up over his shoulder and slammed him into the canvas followed by 1 min of control time and ground and pound...
It's one of the most significant moments in the fight and is a clear deciding factor in round 1. There is no argument for O'malley in round 1 if scored correctly. Striking is already edged to Yan, so that takedown alone plus any follow up ground and pound( multiple shots) clearly takes that round. Yan was up 2 roundss going into the 3rd, O'malley needed a finish or a 10-8 to draw and a 10-7 to win.
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Again, the majority of that control time was in the 2nd, and he did next to nothing with it. You keep on bringing up the betting odds... I'm not sure what that's supposed to prove, that a lot of people made bad bets? TBF though, the consensus before the fight was that there was no way Sean would win a 3rd round, so it makes sense to load up on Yan with the fight being 1-1 going into the 3rd. Media outlets are just like anyone else, their scores or opinions aren't special and they're susceptible to bias just like anyone else.
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That's not how live betting works, the odds move based on action in the cage, as well as live money. I'm not sure why you're struggling to comprehend this, as it's fairly simple. Yan's odds went up and down in that third round, at the time of close his odds were significantly higher than they were at points of that round, indicating that the bookies were mostly respecting the power of O'Malley and his finishing ability, while also being of the belief that Yan had banked the first two rounds.
He opened the fight at -250, the -1000 line closed with just over a minute left in the fight, it had nothing to do with the prior belief, it had everything to do with what had already transpired, 14 minutes into the fight.
The idea that 90% of viewers, 100% of 26 media outlets, the vast majority of bookies and literal full blown betting markets all heavily weighed in favor of Yan winning that fight because they "didn't like Sean" is nothing short of delusional, and you know it.
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I'm not the one being delusional here. You're grasping at live odds to try to prove a point when we have actual fight stats and replays of the fight to base an opinion on. As to the odds and media scores, I can only assume they gave too much weight to the unimpactful control time. They were wrong for doing that because that's not how the scoring criteria works. In a fight that's mostly contested on the feet, effective striking is weighed far more heavily than some control time. And not only did Sean greatly outstrike Yan in the fight, he landed almost 3 times the amount of head strikes, which is even more telling as to why Sean won the fight.
No one should base anything on sig. strike stats. Remember that time Chito landed 23 leg kicks on Aldo? Neither do I, but fight stats do.
Do we know by what system “significant” strikes are tabulated?
I’m not saying this to shit on O’Malley. He did well, and maybe he DID outstrike Yan. But we shouldn’t act like “significant strikes”, unless massively lopsided are somehow, is an objective measure.
Do we know by what system “significant” strikes are tabulated?
I’m not saying this to shit on O’Malley. He did well, and maybe he DID outstrike Yan. But we shouldn’t act like “significant strikes”, unless massively lopsided are somehow, is an objective measure.
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Grasping? I've provided numerous examples as to individuals, markets among others clearly viewing Yan as the winner, why you have seemingly completely had the lazy, illogical response each and every single time of "that's only because they don't like Sean" without even an iota of evidence to back up your claim, despite the fact that there's a significant amount of evidence acting against it, plus routine common sense.
The scoring criteria is based on control, aggressive, damage, effective striking off the top of my head, three things in which Yan took control of. Bookies don't give away free money, it's laughable to assume they don't understand a sport as straight forward as MMA, which is significantly more straight forward than many other sports. Yan had nearly 6 minutes of control time, that cannot be swept under the rug, simply because you like Sean more as a fighter and were rooting for him. Strikes were close in round 1, with Yan landing the harder shots, as well as a takedown and some control time on top of it. That's a Yan round. Round 2? Strikes were closer than round 3 statistically, that's the issue with blindly looking at striking statistics and making up your mind based off of it, it was very clearly the most dominant round of the fight, yet statistically it was closer than round 3. That's rubbish, the same way a jab statistically being scored equally to the counter that nearly knocked O'Malley unconscious in round 2 is rubbish. They're largely inaccurate as well in their counts, another reason why they shouldn't be taken seriously, this is a fight, not the NFL.
It might be time to look into the mirror instead of repeating the same "Everyone is confused about the scoring system but me, the rest just scored the fight for Yan because they don't like Sugar Sean!" and questioning if maybe, just maybe, O'malley lost the fight.
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Yan's takedown in the first was where he picked him up over his shoulder and slammed him into the canvas followed by 1 min of control time and ground and pound...
It's one of the most significant moments in the fight and is a clear deciding factor in round 1. There is no argument for O'malley in round 1 if scored correctly. Striking is already edged to Yan, so that takedown alone plus any follow up ground and pound( multiple shots) clearly takes that round. Yan was up 2 roundss going into the 3rd, O'malley needed a finish or a 10-8 to draw and a 10-7 to win.
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The reality is the vast majority of people who scored the fight for O'Malley very clearly did not actually tune into the fight, or have chosen to completely and totally block out these moments.
Sean lost the fight, just about everyone, and surely everyone with a brain in their skull recognizes this.
Just looking over your post briefly I notice that you admit that you don't actually know what the scoring criteria is. So maybe before you keep on responding you should look that up. This kind of jut proves my point that you're basing you're opinion on feelings and bias rather than the actual facts.
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