Olympic lifts. should I also bench?

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  1. snoop dogg***

    snoop dogg*** Baby Heath goon$quad

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    Im looking to buy an olympic bar, a platform and some rubber bumper plates. I want to purely focus on olympic lifts and calisthenics due to advice my S&C coaches gave me. The only thing is my coaches said i should stop benching.
    I focus on the olympic lifts and bodyweight exercises to make me more explosive and durable for jiu jitsu and wrestling, but I bench really for my own personal reasons.
    i loved doing it in highschool, but my of my coaches tell me that it makes my hand speed slower and is an overrated exercise. am I making a mistake on giving this workout up, should i not listen to my coaches?
     
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    snoop dogg*** Baby Heath goon$quad

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    I like benching, but love jiu jitsu more. and if benching is hindering it in anywayI can understand if i should to stop. I just want to see if anyone thinks what my coaches said id BS or not.
     
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    Jake Pudenz Green Belt Professional Fighter

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    While I believe it is absolutely an overrated exercise for athletic development, it isn't going to make your hand speed slower. If you like benching, bench.
     
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    belph Pissing into the wind.

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    You bench tree fiddy, right?
     
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    Jake Pudenz Green Belt Professional Fighter

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    Lol no. The most I've ever benched is 300.
     
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    Uchi Mata Preaching the gospel of heel hooks and left kicks

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    I think it's total BS. What possible problem could you have from getting stronger? It's a pretty big, compound lift, why would a pushup be good but benching bad?

    I'm also surprised you're focusing on oly lifts to the exclusion of squats, deadlifts, and weighted pullups/rows. To me oly lifting is a great sport, but for sport training it requires too much focus on technique. I do like cleans, but I've never felt like I shortchange myself by dropping the jerk portion or the snatch entirely. I think you'd be at greater risk of hurting yourself on those lifts, since they do require so much technique to do well with any amount of weight.

    Players of all sports do the basic powerlifting lifts for raw strength and explosiveness, you don't have to train explosive motions exclusively to get a great deal of benefit in explosive movement from lifting, and the posterior chain strength you get from squats and deads just helps your guard so much (on top and bottom) that I would never ignore them for BJJ. You posture just improves so much from lifting, your ability to create pressure on top too.

    Keep benching. Add squats and deadlifts, start weighting your pullups if you can. Oly lifts are great if you already know them, but you'll have to spend a lot of time lifting lower weights to get the technique down if you're just starting and that time could be better spent on the mat IMO.
     
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    The main argument against it that i've heard is simply that it can take away from shoulder health/flexibility. Which is pretty damn important for O-lifting.
     
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    snoop dogg*** Baby Heath goon$quad

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    Im stil doing compound lifts. Pretty much anything that requires only a bar and plates including squat (front/reg). Bent over row, and deadlift, overhead press. (No overhead squats yet, my form sucks). also Calisthenics (pushups lunches, pullups/chins, abs, dips, & lower back extensions)
     
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    belph Pissing into the wind.

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    This again ? An athlete won't need perfect technique.
     
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    belph Pissing into the wind.

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    That's why you haven't snatched 150 yet. Get on it.
     
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    First, I'm going to assume that by training the olympic lifts that the associated assistance lifts are included, Ie. squats, presses, posterior chain, ab work, etc. Because otherwise it's stupid. I'm only bothering to mention this because someone above, for whatever reason, seemed to think it might not be the case.

    Can someone who's strength work is based primarily around olympic lifting benefit from benching? Yes, as it's a good exercise to develop the pressing muscles, even if benching maximum weight isn't a priority for you.

    But, is there a good place for benching in your training? Maybe, or maybe not. Remember that every time you bench, it'll be one less time you press or do other overhead work. So depending on the amount of time and energy you have to put into S&C, it could well be better to narrow your focus to presses and other overhead work, and put benching aside for now.

    And weigh that against the cost of having to buy a quality bench, a rack with pins at bench height, and possibly some kind of safeties.
     
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    yes theyre having me work on all that as well, sorry. i mentioned it in my last post.
     
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    redaxe Silver Belt

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    Personally I would never want to quit benching entirely. I fucked up and tore a pec benching and that didn't even stop me. I'm not a bench monkey though, only 1-2 times per week. But I think benching once a week is enough if you're not focusing on it.
     
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    I love benching. No idea why; I dont compete with anyone & its not really a demanding workout. I think its because i sucked at it so much as a kid i dont want to go back to those days lol
     
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    if you like it do it dude , my focus is primarily oly lifts too but ive been doing dynamic benching lately. havent tested to see if im stronger yet but i do it cos i like doing it
     
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    This is frequent advice IMO caused by Olly specialists/elite competitors who don't bench.

    Whether that is a good idea or not (and I don't presume to know) if you want to get strong bench. And if you want to get strong, and bench, then definitely don't drop it, it won't do any harm
     
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    Bench if you want to, but don't do stupid shit with it. Marc Huster, German weightlifting legend, tore muscles while benching twice. You don't want to be injured and miss competitions because of your "beach muscle"-training...
     
  18. iama

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    Bench if you like its not gonna help you get better at anything but benc though
     
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    lpaulgib Blue Belt

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    I can think of numerous reasons a nice bench can help a fighter not related to striking. I would just not place it on high in the priority list. But to neglect a push entirely seems wrong just on balance issues.
     
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    snoop dogg*** Baby Heath goon$quad

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    im still doing pushups. and other calisthenics as well.
     

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