Olivera is the only Guy That Can Beat Islam

[Luckyme]

That it's insane to claim there's only one guy who can beat this guy like OP claimed.

Ok I get what you meant. OP's statement to me implied that Olivera would be Islam's toughest opponent which I don't agree with. Chandler is probably the toughest style for Islam (and Khabib).

 

[old school 2]

it would be a travesty if Gaitjie gets next shot and potentially takes out Olivera (if dustin doesnt) the dream matchup of Islam vs Olivera

Nobody wants to see a repeat of Khabib 2.0 (islam) beating Porier and Justin again. We saw those fights already.

Olivera gets taken out by the only top 4 he has ever faced (Poirier) , long before Gaejthe or Islam get a shot at him.

 

[fatmanthenextbatman]

i gotta watch some of Islam's fights to see if he can compete with Helio jr on the ground. from what ive seen , charle's bjj is legit and one of the best i've seen in awhile in mma.

 

[Lee_]

ICould still get GnP smashed by Islam.

Possible but for sure less likely than with the others. Charles could threaten Islam on the ground, which is not true with the others; Charles always has that submission threat going to help control the fight on the ground, as well as possibly finishing with a sub (more than anyone else in the UFC ever....)

Also, Charles is no joke in the standup, and was way more impressive against Chandler in the standup than Gathje (who couldn't finish Chandler). Charles would probably beat up Islam in the standup pretty easily.

 

[Dog Gynecologist]

Governor BJ Penn would murder the whole LW division and if you disagree you are a coward

 

[Madeline Chelsea]

Adriano Martins has already defeated Islam BTW

Freak shot. Anyone can get clipped.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

Josh Thompson, who's trained with both, claimed Charles would have a better chance of subbing Khabib than he would Islam.

 

[Franklin U.]

Oliveria and Duriush are fighters that could beat Islam..... as Islam could also be champ.

Just like people slept on the evolutionary years of bronx & DP........ Beneil now in dead prime, complete fighter and a handful for anyone.

All 4 are above Gaejthe.

 

[Luckyme]

Oliveria and Duriush are fighters that could beat Islam..... as Islam could also be champ.

Just like people slept on the evolutionary years of bronx & DP........ Beneil now in dead prime, complete fighter and a handful for anyone.

All 4 are above Gaejthe.

Not even close. Dariush is the weakest of the LW title contenders. He’s an above-average fighter but not elite. Everyone in the top 5 beats him with ease.

 

[MartinGibson86]

Gillespie>Islam

 

[TheHitMan]

Josh Thompson, who's trained with both, claimed Charles would have a better chance of subbing Khabib than he would Islam.

Can you cite your reference on this? Link?

 

[PrinceOfPain]

Can you cite your reference on this? Link?

I can't drop a link right now (long story). I'll come back and drop a link a bit later.

If you're impatient, he mentions it when discussing Islam vs hooker on his podcast/YouTube channel with Big John - weighing In.

 

[TheHitMan]

I can't drop a link right now (long story). I'll come back and drop a link a bit later.

If you're impatient, he mentions it when discussing Islam vs hooker on his podcast/YouTube channel with Big John - weighing In.

Okay, thanks. Not trying to put you on the spot, just trying to verify the information. Also would be interested in seeing the complete article.

Almost all references cite Khabib as being just about impossible to submit. I've heard and watched references to Islam being able "to compete" with Khabib, for a few rounds, but never heard about Khabib being easier to submit than Islam.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

Okay, thanks. Not trying to put you on the spot, just trying to verify the information. Also would be interested in seeing the complete article.

Almost all references cite Khabib as being just about impossible to submit. I've heard and watched references to Islam being able "to compete" with Khabib, for a few rounds, but never heard about Khabib being easier to submit than Islam.

No worries. One can't take everything at face value around here.

Iirc correctly, he makes sure to mention that he's not putting khabib down, more emphasising how good Islam's sub defense is and the difference in the style of their ground games, while khabib's heavy pressure style sometimes puts him in danger.

But yeah. Will link it in a bit.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

@TheHitMan


34:02
About 15 minutes before that they're just discussing Islam in general. It's an interesting listen.

He agrees with TS though, that Oliviera is Islam's only threat.

 

[JKS]

Josh Thompson, who's trained with both, claimed Charles would have a better chance of subbing Khabib than he would Islam.

I don't doubt that. Khabib sometimes was so aggressive he left openings. Poirier nearly got him in a choke. I don't know how close it was, but Khabib was fighting that for about 20 seconds.

 

[MarleyLynx]

Oliveira likely gets dominated on the ground

 

[PrinceOfPain]

I don't doubt that. Khabib sometimes was so aggressive he left openings. Poirier nearly got him in a choke.

Josh says pretty much the same thing.

And I think I also agree. I don't think Islam's better, but they're very different on the ground. Khabib smothers and smashes, which sometimes means putting himself in danger. Islam's more... methodical (?) on the ground.

 

[Roop Holstry]

The guy who quit against Cowboy and Cub Swanson is not beating Islam.

The guy who didn’t quit against chandler and knocked him out soon after being hurt has a chance though

 

[TheHitMan]

@TheHitMan


34:02
About 15 minutes before that they're just discussing Islam in general. It's an interesting listen.

He agrees with TS though, that Oliviera is Islam's only threat.

Big props for posting this, thank you. Much appreciated.

It is also interesting what he said in reference to Brazilian jiu-jitsu versus Dagestani combat sambo:

• "Their style is not jujitsu, it nullifies everything we try to do."

This goes back to what I said to Madeline Chelsea, above. I said,

• Once on the ground, Islam is physically stronger than Oliveira, with much tighter technique, and he's used to a lifetime of a more dominating-style of grappling than Olivera. With Islam being used to training with the power and pressure of Khabib, Oliveira is going to be a walk-in-the-park on the ground compared to that.

And Josh Thompson, having rolled against Islam, as a BJJ guy, basically confirms exactly this. The Dagestani combat wrestling (which is basically judo, sambo, and wrestling — is specifically designed for cage fighting. BJJ is not. I think the physical strength of Islam + is more effective style of grappling is going to overwhelm Charles Oliveira, who is a little more frail in build, it does not have as domineering a style as Islam Makhachev.

Again, big thanks for posting this video!