Olivera is the only Guy That Can Beat Islam

[Deleted member 498977]

RDA 2.0 also has a chance

 

[Ramon Antonio]

And Oliveira has lost 8 times, and got finished in 7 of them if we're going to play the game of discrediting Islam for eating 1 counter more than 6 years ago in his 2nd UFC fight.

Oliveira, Poirier and Gaethje have all been finished by multiple people a lot more recently than Islam's only loss.

I'm not discrediting Islam for having a loss, I'm discrediting the OPs opinion that Oliveira is the only dude who can beat Islam.

 

[TheHitMan]

it would be a travesty if Gaitjie gets next shot and potentially takes out Olivera (if dustin doesnt) the dream matchup of Islam vs Olivera

Nobody wants to see repeat of Khabib 2.0 (islam) beating Porier and Justin again. We saw those fights already.

Your take indicates lack of knowledge.

Islam is almost nothing like Khabib. Islam has no ferocity or fire to him, like Khabib had. He also doesn't possess Khabib's granite chin.

Khabib would put relentless pressure on people, pressure nobody has ever brought to the cage before or since. Khabib could walk through punches, yet (except Gaethje) was defensively-aware, quick, elusive — but was always super-aggressive. Khabib basically a blistering pace and he weaponized pressure.

Islam is much more cool and calculated. He's not ferocious like Khabib. Islam used to rely heavily on his striking, and had a pretty good striking game. However, after Islam suffered a KO loss, it's clear his team has advised him not to go trading punches anymore. Rather than be "super-exciting" in a firefight, Islam now uses his striking acumen to set up perfectly-timed takedowns.

Whereas Khabib weaponized pace, Islam actually conserves his energy.
Islam's takedown attempts are timed perfectly, effortlessly, and Islam is a lot smoother and more methodical in is grappling than Khabib.

Where Khabib would literally pour out unbelievable amounts of energy and effort, Islam conserves his energy and effort. There are literally almost like polar opposites.

Islam's style, while not as exciting, is starting to demonstrate almost perfect execution and timing. If you really watch what he's doing in there, it's pretty interesting.

Islam is not Khabib 2.0, he never will be.

He is actually Islam 2.0, more calm and calculated in his striking (not leaving himself wide-open anymore), and more efficient in his energy expenditure, plus tight and methodical in his grappling.

 

[HockeyBjj]

I think Dariush could beat Islam as well

But yes. Styles make fights. And I like Olivera over Islam even though I think Islam murks Gaethje and Porier, but both those two give Olives a very close fight.

 

[TheHitMan]

Two ways.

Islam pressures Olives until he gasses out and constantly takes Olives down.

Islam does something very stupid on the ground and Olives submits him.

Disagree a little bit.

Islam is not a pressure guy, he's a timing guy. Olivera is more schooled on the feet, so Islam is going to be looking for timing and then a clinch. Once up against the cage, Islam's judo foot sweeps + clinch work are on another level. He'll definitely get Olivera to the ground.

Once on the ground, Islam is physically stronger than Oliveira, with much tighter technique, and he's used to a lifetime of a more dominating-style of grappling than Olivera. With Islam being used to training with the power and pressure of Khabib, Oliveira is going to be a walk-in-the-park on the ground compared to that.

There's a good chance it goes to a decision, but more than likely Islam's pressure and more domineering style of grappling is going cause Oliveira to fatigue, which is the part I agree with. Oliveira will wilt to Islam, not the other way around.

 

[KingBeef]

In my opinion, Dustin could give Islam all he could handle; especially if it stays on the feet.

 

[TheHitMan]

In my opinion, Dustin could give Islam all he could handle; especially if it stays on the feet.

I doubt that very much.

I think Islam would finish Dustin quicker than Khabib did.

 

[Kratos94]

Fighter Kevin Lee would also beat Islam.

Really?

 

[Paladin]

Your take indicates lack of knowledge.

Islam is almost nothing like Khabib. Islam has no ferocity or fire to him, like Khabib had. He also doesn't possess Khabib's granite chin.

Khabib would put relentless pressure on people, pressure nobody has ever brought to the cage before or since. Khabib could walk through punches, yet (except Gaethje) was defensively-aware, quick, elusive — but was always super-aggressive. Khabib basically a blistering pace and he weaponized pressure.

Islam is much more cool and calculated. He's not ferocious like Khabib. Islam used to rely heavily on his striking, and had a pretty good striking game. However, after Islam suffered a KO loss, it's clear his team has advised him not to go trading punches anymore. Rather than be "super-exciting" in a firefight, Islam now uses his striking acumen to set up perfectly-timed takedowns.

Whereas Khabib weaponized pace, Islam actually conserves his energy.
Islam's takedown attempts are timed perfectly, effortlessly, and Islam is a lot smoother and more methodical in is grappling than Khabib.

Where Khabib would literally pour out unbelievable amounts of energy and effort, Islam conserves his energy and effort. There are literally almost like polar opposites.

Islam's style, while not as exciting, is starting to demonstrate almost perfect execution and timing. If you really watch what he's doing in there, it's pretty interesting.

Islam is not Khabib 2.0, he never will be.

He is actually Islam 2.0, more calm and calculated in his striking (not leaving himself wide-open anymore), and more efficient in his energy expenditure, plus tight and methodical in his grappling.

People are talking as though Khabib’s way is the only way to be dominant.
He and Islam have very similar grappling skills, with Khabib being more aggressive while Islam is more counter / opportunistic and calculated.


It’s a tough shadow that Islam is trying to emerge from, as people will always say he is a Khabib lite instead of appreciating Islam for Islam.

I hope we have a Barao Aldo situation where people quickly realized Barao’s game was different from Aldo’s, even though they were both from Nova Uniao.

 

[TheHitMan]

High level BJJ has always been one of the best answers to wrestling. Makhachev is a dominant wrestler but wasn’t too interested in grappling Davi Ramos until he hurt him in the standup and jumped in to look for the finish.

Islam is not a wrestler though. He's a judo/combat sambo/wrestler.

I've not seen any BJJ black belt do anything but get murdered by Khabib. Even though prime Dos Anjos couldn't do anything with Khabib.

I think BJJ is too passive a style to stop the kind of Dagestani combat wrestling that comes from Khabib's camp.

 

[Shaddows]

it would be a travesty if Gaitjie gets next shot and potentially takes out Olivera (if dustin doesnt) the dream matchup of Islam vs Olivera

Nobody wants to see repeat of Khabib 2.0 (islam) beating Porier and Justin again. We saw those fights already.

Jesus.
Stop being so desperate.
Just because you want a certain fight, the division shouldn't be thrown in a loop, and top contenders not get their title shots because you fear an outcome.

If both guys are as good as you claim, they will meet each other.

 

[moosaev]

Your take indicates lack of knowledge.

Islam is almost nothing like Khabib. Islam has no ferocity or fire to him, like Khabib had. He also doesn't possess Khabib's granite chin.

Khabib would put relentless pressure on people, pressure nobody has ever brought to the cage before or since. Khabib could walk through punches, yet (except Gaethje) was defensively-aware, quick, elusive — but was always super-aggressive. Khabib basically a blistering pace and he weaponized pressure.

Islam is much more cool and calculated. He's not ferocious like Khabib. Islam used to rely heavily on his striking, and had a pretty good striking game. However, after Islam suffered a KO loss, it's clear his team has advised him not to go trading punches anymore. Rather than be "super-exciting" in a firefight, Islam now uses his striking acumen to set up perfectly-timed takedowns.

Whereas Khabib weaponized pace, Islam actually conserves his energy.
Islam's takedown attempts are timed perfectly, effortlessly, and Islam is a lot smoother and more methodical in is grappling than Khabib.

Where Khabib would literally pour out unbelievable amounts of energy and effort, Islam conserves his energy and effort. There are literally almost like polar opposites.

Islam's style, while not as exciting, is starting to demonstrate almost perfect execution and timing. If you really watch what he's doing in there, it's pretty interesting.

Islam is not Khabib 2.0, he never will be.

He is actually Islam 2.0, more calm and calculated in his striking (not leaving himself wide-open anymore), and more efficient in his energy expenditure, plus tight and methodical in his grappling.

I agree, they have very different styles. Islam also doesn't have the top heaviness that Khabib had and isn't as smothering on the ground, but he makes up for that with much sharper takedown technique, his judo is amazing. Once Islam has someone in a clinch it's inevitable they're going down, but they also have a higher chance of getting back up than with Khabib. Islam seems to be a more refined grappler technique wise, he's very subtle so not many people see it.

 

[storeybuckle]

it would be a travesty if Gaitjie gets next shot and potentially takes out Olivera (if dustin doesnt) the dream matchup of Islam vs Olivera

Nobody wants to see repeat of Khabib 2.0 (islam) beating Porier and Justin again. We saw those fights already.

Islam is close to ts. He shouldn’t complain either. His dirt bike trips are to blame for his inactivity! He has been showing up for fights lately, which is a good thing.

Let’s not be fooled though! if he became champion he would probably fight once a year or once every year and a half

 

[Yoctogram]

The guy who quit against Cowboy and Cub Swanson is not beating Islam.

 

[Luckyme]

Lol the dude already has a KO loss. He doesn't have Khabib's chin. Even Khabib got saved by his iron chin a couple times in his career.

All of the LW top 5 have KO losses so what’s your point?

 

[Ramon Antonio]

All of the LW top 5 have KO losses so what’s your point?

That it's insane to claim there's only one guy who can beat this guy like OP claimed.

 

[MMAFanCal]

Totally agree. Chucky Olives has the style to beat Islam. His BJJ is impeccable.

 

[uchubaco]

Adriano Martins has already defeated Islam BTW

 

[asdf122345]

On the ground yea..

 

[storeybuckle]

There is a reason why the UFC doesn't want a titlefight for Islam.
They know that nobody can beat him.
Once he gets that belt it will be domination again.

Oliveira has no chance against Islam.
Islam will take him down against the fence and will maje him quit.

Or they’re making him earn his TS!