International Oligarchy is not just a Russian phenomenon. It exists right here in the USA.

[Jack V Savage]

Biden's NLRB has done more to strengthen Unions than any President for 50 years. Not a coincidence.

I don’t think that's the cause so it is a coincidence. It's probably related to a surge in new business creation and the general strength in the economy (though it's also contributed to that strength so it's complicated). At any rate, again, I think you're right that high unionization is compatible with strong productivity growth. I don’t think there’s a necessary connection between the two, in either direction. The issue with unions is just that they fight for particular goods rather than the general good. Of course everyone has the right to fight for themselves so that’s fine. But public policy should be focused on the general good (which at times means siding with unions and at other times means siding against them).

The Firefighter's Union are already denouncing their advocacy of Trump.

Yeah, obviously Trump is on the side of owners over workers.

 

[Jack V Savage]

@filthybliss

Take note of this exchange. Meow, Jack just said I'm lying that Sinister called him out for "sidestepping" "earlier in this thread".










Enlarged for emphasis.

If you want I can give you the page number I quoted this from, I forgot to do that when quoting lol.

Whoops Jack, did you think I was gonna be too lazy to pull yet another receipt of your deceit in my own thread?



This is what I'm talking about, it's all here for everyone to see.

I agree that Sinister personally attacked me. It’s not true that it was based on anything real.

 

[Jack V Savage]

It's also telling that you completely abandoned any effort to defend your actual position to focus on childish personal attacks. But you also haven't admitted you were wrong.

 

[deviake]

I agree that Sinister personally attacked me. It’s not true that it was based on anything real.

I'm not going to debate the merits of that being a "personal attack" but you specifically said "it never happened", which is false, AND you told ME to stop lying. Everyone here can go look at it, it's in the thread. You just told two bald faced lies. Goodbye credibility.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I'm not going to debate the merits of that being a "personal attack" but you specifically said "it never happened",

Me side-stepping something never happened. Be honest.

which is false, AND you told ME to stop lying. Everyone here can go look at it, it's in the thread. You just told two bald faced lies. Goodbye credibility.

You are lying. In this post and when you said that I was criticizing you for saying that some other countries have better public services.

 

[deviake]

It's also telling that you completely abandoned any effort to defend your actual position to focus on childish personal attacks. But you also haven't admitted you were wrong.

Me side-stepping something never happened. Be honest.

You are lying. In this post and when you said that I was criticizing you for saying that some other countries have better public services.

I just proved you a liar, twice, in one thread. @Islam Imamate doesn't care but to anyone else who can read it's obvious you've no credibility and don't argue in good faith. You're doing everything I said you do.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I just proved you a liar, twice, in one thread. @Islam Imamate doesn't care but to anyone else who can read it's obvious you've no credibility and don't argue in good faith. You're doing everything I said you do.

But that's not actually true. I think it's obvious that you're lyjng and trying to change the subject because you were wrong on substance and you lack the integrity to simply admit that.

 

[Mr Holmes]

I just proved you a liar, twice, in one thread. @Islam Imamate doesn't care but to anyone else who can read it's obvious you've no credibility and don't argue in good faith. You're doing everything I said you do.

This is true.

 

[deviake]

But that's not actually true. I think it's obvious that you're lyjng and trying to change the subject because you were wrong on substance and you lack the integrity to simply admit that.

Meow you're lying about lying.



I told Filthy you argue in bad faith which is why I stop responding to you, you tell two lies, I pull your own quotes from this thread, and you triple down. Shameless Jack, shameless. With the second lie you could've even tried to save face and say you didn't remember saying that or something but no, YOU KEEP GOING and make my point for me lmao.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Meow you're lying about lying.

No, I'm telling the truth about you lying. What is even in dispute?

I told Filthy you argue in bad faith which is why I stop responding to you, you tell two lies, I pull your own quotes from this thread, and you triple down. Shameless Jack, shameless. With the second lie you could've even tried to save face and say you didn't remember saying that or something but no, YOU KEEP GOING and make my point for me lmao.

Again, you’re lying. Your point was refuted and rather than admit it, you pivoted to your usual dishonest personal stuff.

 

[Sinister]

I agree that Sinister personally attacked me. It’s not true that it was based on anything real.

Saying that you side-stepped an answer is about as much of a personal attack as saying a fighter side-stepped a punch. It's just a thing that happened. I asked you a direct question about single-issue polling and you side-stepped it by saying "people want good things" as if all it reveals us monolithic thought, when it doesnt. Such a generalization doesnt really substantiate anything at all and you know it.

But rather than just say single-issue polling is has its uses (and it does as a way of gauging tentative successful ballot measures that get progressive policies passed in deep red States), it's more convenient of a discourse device to accuse me of making a personal attack.

People side-step sometimes, I do as well. So what? Doing it isnt nearly as weird as doing it and then saying anyone who says you did is making a personal attack.

 

[UberHere]

I agree that Sinister personally attacked me. It’s not true that it was based on anything real.

Dude. You’re a legend.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Saying that you side-stepped an answer is about as much of a personal attack as saying a fighter side-stepped a punch. It's just a thing that happened. I asked you a direct question about single-issue polling and you side-stepped it by saying "people want good things" as if all it reveals us monolithic thought, when it doesnt. Such a generalization doesnt really substantiate anything at all and you know it.

But rather than just say single-issue polling is has its uses (and it does as a way of gauging tentative successful ballot measures that get progressive policies passed in deep red States), it's more convenient of a discourse device to accuse me of making a personal attack.

People side-step sometimes, I do as well. So what? Doing it isnt nearly as weird as doing it and then saying anyone who says you did is making a personal attack.

Sleazy tactics here. Instead of addressing my point, you just accused me of "side-stepping" yours for some reason. And clearly Deviake also took that as an attack. Remember why it was brought up. After it turned out that he was wrong about the U.S. not having a liberal party, he wanted to change the discussion to whether I'm a Bad Person, which is more subjective, and he enlisted your personal attack as part of that. Now you're getting personal again (instead of establishing that your previous personal attack was true, you're psychoanalyzing why I dont admit it was true, with the implication that it's more personal badness).

I think you guys are both exhausting. I make every effort to be respectful and address the substance of your posts, and you constantly attack my motives and misrepresent my views.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Read only 10 percent of the bickering but the rules are simple: if @Jack V Savage acuses you of lying he's wrong, and anyone acusing him of lying is right.

 

[UberHere]

Read only 10 percent of the bickering but the rules are simple: if @Jack V Savage acuses you of lying he's wrong, and anyone acusing him of lying is right.

I don’t know how he ropes people into pages of this over and over but it’s kinda funny

 

[Fox by the Sea]

I don’t know how he ropes people into pages of this over and over

The illusion of serious discussion. If you write 10 paragraphs it must be serious stuff right? But after a while you get that's its 95% windbag horseshit and 5% dishonesty. He's going to act all surprised at this but the point is not to let yourself fall for it.

 

[UberHere]

The illusion of serious discussion. If you write 10 paragraphs it must be serious stuff right? But after a while you get that's its 95% windbag horseshit and 5% dishonesty. He's going to act all surprised at this but the point is not to let yourself fall for it.

I think he’s genuine. I also think he’s fairly intelligent (although not nearly as smart as he thinks he is). If I had to bet I’d say he’s on the spectrum with Asperger syndrome. They tend to be smart and very rigid. I mean have you ever seen him apologize? Or admit when he’s been wrong?

 

[Fox by the Sea]

I think he’s genuine. I also think he’s fairly intelligent (although not nearly as smart as he thinks he is). If I had to bet I’d say he’s on the spectrum with Asperger syndrome. They tend to be smart and very rigid. I mean have you ever seen him apologize? Or admit when he’s been wrong?

I'm not really following his posts for years now. I just glance over sometimes cause the case is settled for me. So I don't know the answer to the question.

 

[brothir]

But agreed with your broader point that high union membership is compatible with strong productivity growth. Depends on the specifics of what the unions do.

More specifically it depends on what the government does. Norway is basically the world's shining example of national collective bargaining, but there can be no mistake that it's the government that wears the pants in the triangle of unions, businesses, and the government. The idea of shining, bright unions carving a path through darkness in defiance of market forces and the government is a fantasy: it comes down to regulation, and a lot of it too.

 

[Andy Capp]

@cottagecheesefan I know that you regularly listen to Bannon. I’m curious about how you feel about this.

Now, of the four and half trillion dollars in revenue we get, how much is from corporate taxes? Only $500 billion. Since 2008, $200 billion has gone into stock repurchases. If that had gone into plants and equipment, think what that would have done for the country. I’m for a dramatic increase in corporate taxes. We have to increase taxes on the wealthy. For getting our guys’ taxes cut, we’ve got to cut spending, which they’re gonna resist. Where does the tax revenue come from? Corporations and the wealthy. And when they start squealing, we have a conversation. We’re all partners in this, everybody’s going to take a little pain, but the working people are going to take less pain than you guys.

‘We have to increase taxes on the wealthy’: Steve Bannon | Semafor

Steve Bannon talks about populism, the Trump agenda, and which Republicans need to lose.

www.semafor.com

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