International Oligarchy is not just a Russian phenomenon. It exists right here in the USA.

[UberHere]

Oh fuck off... The COVID lockdowns and the resulting in the closure of small businesses created the largest transfer of Wealth from the Middle Class to the Elite in human history.


The share of household wealth owned by billionaires has risen by a record amount during the pandemic, with millionaires also coming out of COVID-19 ahead, a study found on Tuesday.

https://www.reuters.com/business/pandemic-boosts-super-rich-share-global-wealth-2021-12-07/

All the Media and Politicians ignored the warnings.

Next time... We just got have to lockdown harder I guess. Who needs a middle class anyway.

Absolutely.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

Really Bernie?

These people hate your guts, and they contribute to the oligarchy.

The lesser of two evils choice is sometimes a choice that must be made. That's the choice Bernie made and I made it too. I voted for Biden because Biden is better than Trump. None of that means the wealth disparity problem isn't still happening....


The way you guys try to discredit Bernie just makes you all look uneducated.

 

[Jack V Savage]

-5 billion people have become poorer
-The 5 richest billionaires have gotten 14 million dollars per hour richer
-Over the last decade alone 1% of the world's global population have amassed 2 trillion dollars in new wealth
-Lower brackets only slightly have moved
-The top 1% own more wealth than 95% of the world's population while stashing up to 32 trillion in offshore tax havens

These are some wild stats when you place them together. Let's not partisan this one.

I don't think the top one is correct, and "only slightly" is too vague to argue with. The last one is kind of misleading. If your net worth is positive, you have more wealth than the bottom half of the world's population, for example. And those kinds of misleading presentations should immediately put people on alert.

The fundamental tension for someone like Bernie is that 1) Things keep getting better for the poor (both globally and in America). To stay non-partisan (though there is a clear difference between U.S. parties), this is a very long-term trend (post Civil War here) that only deviates a little based on differences in policy at any given time. And 2) Bernie wants the issue of inequality to be treated as an urgent problem. 2 doesn't *necessarily* require lying about 1, but it gives him a major incentive. A third issue is that while liberals think that improving living standards for the poor means a combination of trying to increase overall growth and making sure that it is distributed as broadly as possible, Bernie and his section of the left is more ambivalent about the first part of that (that is, they think we basically have enough now and just need to distribute it better).

 

[Deleted member 577981]

Bernie isn't wrong at all. A sniveling hypocrite of massive proportions, but he's still correct.

Bernie is not a hypocrite at all, not even a little bit. You guys just believe the lies you tell about him so much that his actions betray your false concept of him.


But I'm glad that you can see he is right here.

 

[Jack V Savage]

The lesser of two evils choice is sometimes a choice that must be made. That's the choice Bernie made and I made it too. I voted for Biden because Biden is better than Trump. None of that means the wealth disparity problem isn't still happening....


The way you guys try to discredit Bernie just makes you all look uneducated.

I think defending Bernie makes people look uneducated.

As for the first part, liberals want to improve distribution without hurting growth (which puts some limitations on the kinds of changes that can be made). Leftists want to improve distribution even if it hurts growth or at least less interested in growth. And rightists want a more uneven distribution. Seems very obvious that leftists would prefer to align with liberals given those facts, but some people let their own issues get in the way (you even see some sleazy leftists trying to fight factional battles by amplifying dishonest smears against liberals).

 

[Deleted member 577981]

I think defending Bernie makes people look uneducated.

As for the first part, liberals want to improve distribution without hurting growth (which puts some limitations on the kinds of changes that can be made). Leftists want to improve distribution even if it hurts growth or at least less interested in growth. And rightists want a more uneven distribution. Seems very obvious that leftists would prefer to align with liberals given those facts, but some people let their own issues get in the way (you even see some sleazy leftists trying to fight factional battles by amplifying dishonest smears against liberals).

So to stay on topic you think Bernie was hypocrite for supporting Biden over Trump?

Because that sounds uneducated.

 

[Jack V Savage]

So to stay on topic you think Bernie was hypocrite for supporting Biden over Trump?

Because that sounds uneducated.

I think you really misread me.

"As for the first part, liberals want to improve distribution without hurting growth (which puts some limitations on the kinds of changes that can be made). Leftists want to improve distribution even if it hurts growth or at least less interested in growth. And rightists want a more uneven distribution. Seems very obvious that leftists would prefer to align with liberals given those facts."

Do you read that as saying that Bernie was a hypocrite?

 

[Sinister]

He talks about oligarchy being a global phenomenon. He says that since 2020, 5 billion people have become poorer while the worlds five richest billionaires have gotten much richer, to the tune of 14 million added to their wealth an hour. He cites figures for specific billionaires. Over the last decade, 1% of the world's global population have amassed 2 trillion dollars in new wealth while the wealth of the bottom of society barely budged. The top 1% own more wealth than 95% of the world's population. The wealthiest are stashing up to 32 trillion in offshore tax havens.

He talks about them buying elections and goes into the numbers.

He says the issue of oligarchy is the most important issue in the world because it affects everything else.

He says over the coming months they're going to be doing a number of programs to explain all this.

Over time I've been reading so much about this. The US has ALWAYS had oligarchs. They've just been consistently beaten back by the complications of the systems of Government we have to the degree where it's not obvious. But all these "think tanks" and sh*t that are currently writing policy for both sides of the political aisle (one side MUCH more than the other)...that's what they want. Most of these ideas come from guys like Russel Kirk, who was a lecturer for the Heritage Foundation later in life, and believed in the absolute NEED for a definitive heirarchy...which, of course, he preferred to be Western European-descended men. He was also fond of Alexander Hamilton and John Adams, and I've mentioned before how Hamilton spelled out in the Federalist Papers that the Constition was definitely NOT meant to protect the average citizen from the Government, but specifically to protect the landowners (oligarchy) from Government action. Most of the early US rebellions were Soldiers from the Revolutionary War upset that they weren't actually going to get what they were promised. The oligarchs had them crushed.

Then the plantation owners in the South literally demanded the 3/5 clause to be added to the Constitution because they were essentially demanding that their business model carry sway in how the Government interacts with them. In the other thread about the CEO I gave a summary of how the push of oligarchy had perpetuated throughout our History. From the landowners, to the industrialists, to the globalists, to now the tech Bros. All these f*ckers are why there's no real leftism here. Why guys like Fred Hampton got assassinated. Why both parties are now capitalist parties.

 

[Helden]

The oligarchy situation in the US is about to get a whole lot worse... And these dummies voted for it.

 

[Sinister]

the wealth class is not left or right.
only the slaves are.

Comical misunderstanding of what leftism or rightism is. If you want heirarchies maintained, you are a rightist. The wealthy want to remain on top and dont want to be challenged, they also want limitations of political engagement of the citizenry.

Thats rightism by definition

 

[Deleted member 577981]

I think you really misread me.

"As for the first part, liberals want to improve distribution without hurting growth (which puts some limitations on the kinds of changes that can be made). Leftists want to improve distribution even if it hurts growth or at least less interested in growth. And rightists want a more uneven distribution. Seems very obvious that leftists would prefer to align with liberals given those facts."

Do you read that as saying that Bernie was a hypocrite?

I think you misread me. The post you quoted was me telling somebody that Bernie was not a hypocrite for supporting Biden.

I have no idea how your response addresses that.

Do you care to address it??

 

[Sinister]

Oh fuck off... The COVID lockdowns and the resulting in the closure of small businesses created the largest transfer of Wealth from the Middle Class to the Elite in human history.


The share of household wealth owned by billionaires has risen by a record amount during the pandemic, with millionaires also coming out of COVID-19 ahead, a study found on Tuesday.

https://www.reuters.com/business/pandemic-boosts-super-rich-share-global-wealth-2021-12-07/

All the Media and Politicians ignored the warnings.

Next time... We just got have to lockdown harder I guess. Who needs a middle class anyway.

Just out of curiosity, whose administration oversaw this?

 

[Cole train]

Oligarchs are everywhere but from my experience in russia rich people have more freedom to do stuff on "ground level"

Like closing off street with police in saint petersburg, landing a helicopter in the middle of intersection and going grocery shopping for 20 minutes then leaving. True story btw

Not possible here no matter how much money you have (of course i dont know about usa)

 

[Jack V Savage]

I think you misread me. The post you quoted was me telling somebody that Bernie was not a hypocrite for supporting Biden.

I have no idea how your response addresses that.

Do you care to address it??

OK, don't know why I expected you to be able to engage in good faith.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

OK, don't know why I expected you to be able to engage in good faith.

My post was saying that Bernie is not a hypocrite for supporting Biden over Trump. Do you disagree??

I think Bernie made the right choice and that when right-wing people pretend he somehow betrayed his principles in supporting Biden over Trump, they're being disingenuous.

 

[The_Renaissance]

the wealth class is not left or right.
only the slaves are.

Boom. End fucking thread. The people in power couldn't care fucking less one way or another, they've just realised that the easiest way to stay wealthy and in power is to tell the plebs to 'pick a side' and go to battle and spend their entire fucking mindspace on it.

 

[Sinister]

Boom. End fucking thread. The people in power couldn't care fucking less one way or another, they've just realised that the easiest way to stay wealthy and in power is to tell the plebs to 'pick a side' and go to battle and spend their entire fucking mindspace on it.

Fake news. If the people in power couldnt care less we wouldn't have privately funded elections. Of course they care. They want everyone who isnt them beneath them.

 

[Patof]

If something THIS blatant can't unite people to say "ya this is problematic, we should talk about addressing it" nothing will. -.-

It absolutely can unite people, but there's likely a concerted effort to make sure these conversations aren't at the forefront of public discourse.

Way more relevant to discuss transgender bathrooms and whether or not someone ate a cat.

 

[Natural Order]

Bernie is not a hypocrite at all, not even a little bit. You guys just believe the lies you tell about him so much that his actions betray your false concept of him.


But I'm glad that you can see he is right here.

Give your head a shake.

https://www.thestreet.com/lifestyle/bernie-sanders-net-worth-14678955

 

[Deleted member 577981]

Give your head a shake.

https://www.thestreet.com/lifestyle/bernie-sanders-net-worth-14678955

Sum it up for me.