Law Old man Trump just signed an EO that wiped out every environmental protection act of last 100 years

Crazy Source said:
I can't follow these things 24/7 because I would be miserable. It will be a war, and if the Trump admin loses, who is going to make him comply? We are already in a Constitutional crisis with Garcia. That was a 7-0 decision. I find it more likely the SCOTUS would side with Trump and the developers though.
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I've only got so much money to spread to a finite number of organizations, but I tend to concentrate most of it towards a small handful who really dig in and effectively fight this shit tooth and nail relentlessly. As far as the NPS cuts, I've got six weeks volunteering up at GCNP from late May to early July, as you know. The decline in tourism may actually help with that this year albeit in a fucked up way, lol.
 
earthjustice.org

Earthjustice Statement on Trump Administration Executive Order to Open Pacific Marine Monument to Commercial Fishing

This order threatens indigenous cultural heritage and critical species’ habitat within and around the monument
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Wildlife refuge?! Pristine coral?! Beneficial for wider areas even than the protected zone?!

Well your already rich buddies don't make money out of wildlife refuges, DO THEY?

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Get out the Trump Omni-Net, it's time to sweep the sea clean.
 
A less pretentious, overbearingly sarcastic OP might have elicited serious discourse.
 
Deorum said:
And here it is in action @sickc0d3r, lol.
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Trump is banking on the courts—by that I mean scotus of course—upholding a lot of his bullshit. I mean, that’s completely obvious at this point. He’s all about forcing the courts to rule on every fucking thing he does. I do believe the justice system will hold the line in the end.
 
sickc0d3r said:
Trump is banking on the courts—by that I mean scotus of course—upholding a lot of his bullshit. I mean, that’s completely obvious at this point. He’s all about forcing the courts to rule on every fucking thing he does. I do believe the justice system will hold the line in the end.
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I honestly think Roberts and ACB are both tired of his shit, or at least getting there. Not that we're relying on any sort of "sabotage" here. Any objective reading of what he's attempting to violate should see his actions emphatically ruled against. There's a very real possibility he succeeds in at least weakening some of these regulations, but the decisions are likely to be narrow in scope and not altogether devastating.

There's also likely to be a fair degree of pushback from within the federal agencies he's directing, but in more subtle ways that aren't overtly confrontational. We've already seen that with the Forest Service memo leak after his psychotic executive order to clear-cut hundreds of millions of acres for domestic timber production (wtf). It's not only extremely illegal, it isn't remotely feasible even if they were actually 100% gung-ho on board.

Anything this Admin fails to do won't be for lack of effort.
 
44nutman said:
www.whitehouse.gov

Zero-Based Regulatory Budgeting to Unleash American Energy

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered: Section 1. Purpose.
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I always wanted to catch Blinky, the 3 eyed fish from the Simpsons and Trump just made it possible.
Does this mean I can hunt a Bald Eagle by beating it with a Manatee. I look forward to nuclear waste and raw sewage being dumped in the oceans and rivers.
Plus side will be watching Fox News convince their viewers that corporations and Oligracha poisoning you is great for America and if you oppose it you want Transexuals to take over the world.
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Well....speaking as a liberal here...... I read this EO from top to bottom and I still don't have a complete grasp of the extent of what it does. Would love some perspective from my fellow sherdoggers on that.

I'm pretty sure a President can't undo a couple dozen acts passed by congress with an EO. But imposing a sunset on regulations written on the back of them....that he can probably do. Regulations are not passed by Congress.

Trump is a elite level liar. So while I'm not inclined to take his assertion that the Biden administration more than tripled federal regulations in just 4 years at face value, I'm willing to concede that we're probably overregulated. Some regulations are no doubt absolutely critical. Others no doubt less so.

When you are dealing with such a monstrous slosh, I can see how issuing sunsets and forcing departments to reassess might be appealing. Certainly there is the potential for some major calamity here.....but possibly an opportunity as well.

I do find it interesting though that NO ONE, Democrat or Republican, seems to be taking aim at the 75,000 pages that are the Federal Tax Code and Federal Tax Regulations which are helping the wealthiest individuals and companies ass fuck us day in and day out.
 
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Deorum said:
I've only got so much money to spread to a finite number of organizations, but I tend to concentrate most of it towards a small handful who really dig in and effectively fight this shit tooth and nail relentlessly. As far as the NPS cuts, I've got six weeks volunteering up at GCNP from late May to early July, as you know. The decline in tourism may actually help with that this year albeit in a fucked up way, lol.
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Apropos of the bold, "U.S. treasure on a Canadian island: future of Roosevelt Cottage uncertain as Trump threatens cuts"


Good times... not.
 
drill baby drill! we are going to be self sufficient in energy with clean coal and liquid gold!
 
Deorum said:
What would you do if you were to encounter the Rocky Mountain Goat (Oreamnos Americanus)? lol. Don't fuck with it, Hello. These are great animals, a true alpine species endemic to the most remote and rugged mountainous regions of western North America. They have very little in the way of human contact or interaction, as you can tell.



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There was a killer one of those a few years ago.
 
cooks1 said:
Well....speaking as a liberal here...... I read this EO from top to bottom and I still don't have a complete grasp of the extent of what it does. Would love some perspective from my fellow sherdoggers on that.

I'm pretty sure a President can't undo a couple dozen acts passed by congress with an EO. But imposing a sunset on regulations written on the back of them....that he can probably do. Regulations are not passed by Congress.

Trump is a elite level liar. So while I'm not inclined to take his assertion that the Biden administration more than tripled federal regulations in just 4 years at face value, I'm willing to concede that we're probably overregulated. Some regulations are no doubt absolutely critical. Others no doubt less so.

When you are dealing with such a monstrous slosh, I can see how issuing sunsets and forcing departments to reassess might be appealing. Certainly there is the potential for some major calamity here.....but possibly an opportunity as well.

I do find it interesting though that NO ONE, Democrat or Republican, seems to be taking aim at the 75,000 pages that are the Federal Tax Code and Federal Tax Regulations which are helping the wealthiest individuals and companies ass fuck us day in and day out.
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Great Post. There has been only one single convo about that within the thread, quoted below. It isn't so much the regulations the Admin wants to rescind (which will ignite separate lawsuits), but the method in which they're trying to speed rush the process (major lawsuits). And that's what I meant when I said he's probably going to get some victories in regards to the former that are narrow in scope. Another unfortunate problem is in regards to national monuments.

People will read something about them and go, "Wtf, aren't they protected?" and the answer is that they have an incredible amount of protection that is nearly on par with national parks and designated wilderness areas. The problem is that unlike the NPs and WAs established by Congress, they can be and predominantly are created purely through presidential fiat. So, what is the inverse of that? Exactly. Yet the law that granted the POTUS the power to create monuments (Antiquities Act of 1906) says nothing about shrinking or eliminating them, probably because...who the fuck would even do that? Who else.

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sickc0d3r said:
The regulations listed (like the Nuclear Waste Policy Act of 1982 for example) are acts, which are laws, passed by congress. I don’t think the potus can just decide certain laws must expire by Executive Order. Maybe I am wrong, but this looks like a bullshit EO to me.
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Deorum said:
He isn't necessarily doing that, but rather attempting to place sunset expirations to roll back regulations that have been created by federal agencies in accordance with and to enforce environmental laws established by Acts of Congress. It's still going to be laughed out of court, because doing so violates another Act of Congress that lays out procedural rules. I'm a hell of a lot more concerned with the GOP's recon bill to start offloading parcels of public land. It isn't the actual land in question that is of particular importance but the principle and precedent. I genuinely hope the Dems can get their shit together, and soon.
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sickc0d3r said:
Still not sure I understand the difference. Like, doesn’t congress have to pass something to change an existing act or law? You know way more about this environmental stuff than I do, though, tbf.
In any case, this admin has been nuttier than squirrel shit and it’s only motherfucking April.

You and me both, hombre. But, let’s just say I ain’t holding my breath.
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Deorum said:
The laws are passed by acts of Congress that lay out a broad scope of generalized directives and guidelines that provide enabling legislation for federal agencies to interpret and enforce: that includes the creation of regulations and rules (Musk's biggest gripe) that must provide specific analysis and often scientific evidence to justify before going through a public comment process to become established (or likewise, rescinded) and they can further be challenged in court.

He can't and did not overturn the laws, but he's attempting to rescind a bunch of regulations that were established after their creation with no justification beyond "because I said so," and it doesn't hold up. It violates the APA, and what this administration wants to do quite clearly runs blatantly contrary to the directives laid out in the aforementioned laws, which present additional legal hurdles and challenges because they damn well can't justify their actions through facts or scientific evidence.
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@SoSo lurking ITT. What an amazing state you have, bruh. It's underrated AF and arguably top five in the country for natural beauty and wilderness, IMO.



It would have a lot more clout if it weren't parked next to the states that are home to Glacier, Grand Teton, and Yellowstone.



 
Crazy Source said:
Do you mean a killer of one of those? I hope they revoked his hunting license for life and fined him out the ass.
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Isn't this thing fucking great? They're smart.

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Rocky Mountain GOAT.

The mountain goat (Oreamnos americanus), also known as the Rocky Mountain GOAT, is a cloven-footed mammal that is endemic to the remote and rugged mountainous areas of western North America. A subalpine to truly alpine species, it is a sure-footed climber commonly seen on sheer rock faces, near-vertical cliffs, and icy passages. Mountain goats generally avoid venturing down into lower elevations—except during seasonal food shortages or during particularly bad weather—as the extreme elevation which they inhabit is their primary defense against predators such as black and brown bears, pumas and wolves.

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Who cares. I hope he signs an order to blow up the moon.
 
Deorum said:
@SoSo lurking ITT. What an amazing state you have, bruh. It's underrated AF and arguably top five in the country for natural beauty and wilderness, IMO.



It would have a lot more clout if it weren't parked next to the states that are home to Glacier, Grand Teton, and Yellowstone.



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Well thanks. I love it. I play in the snow, but I'm not really a big winter guy. So sometimes the winters can drag a little. I'm in Boise with all the Dimes, and the winters aren't harsh like some places, but they can get old sometimes. But I realize that we need them for water in the arid Southern part of the state, so I tolerate it. It's fun hunting in the snow anyway, unless it gets too deep - like 24" - and you realize while on the mountain that you forgot your chains for the truck and you're surrounded by the white stuff.

Speaking of water, Idaho kicks ass for the amount of whitewater it has. For instance, there's literally miles of class 5 water between a half hour and an hour away from my house. Crazy mountain ranges (with high mountain lakes of course), sand dunes, desert, high desert, canyon lands, natural lakes, alpine and sun alpine forests, largest wilderness in the lower 48 - all within a 3 hour drive as well. Northern Idaho has more of the same except desert - and they have probably the most beautiful lakes and gnarly spruce and fir forests.

I've been here 20 years, and she's getting a little full these past 5-10 years. Especially the past 5. But I'll tolerate it considering what Idaho has to offer me. If I could live in New Zealand 5 months of the year and the rest here in Idaho, I'd consider that truly heaven.
 
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