Okay, So what is the point of a back up fighter?

[Rio Ferdinand]

I just don't get it.


They have a back up for the fight last weekend, they don't use him. They have a back up for the up coming ppv and they dont use him against the original opponent. We know both stipe and jones weren't going to either Aspinall or Pavlovich, So why have an official back up if the back up isn't going to replace the initial fight?

Because nobody knows who or what the fuck a gamrot is.

 

[RockyLockridge]

See UFC 200 which was the biggest clusterfuck in sports since the 1904 Olympics. Also UFC 151.

A lot of cards with big main events would not be worthy of being PPVs without their main fights and the UFC would be forced to cancel them if that fight fell through. The replacement fighter(who is usually next in line or someone good) is there to ensure that doesn't happen. Making it official is to give confidence to the people buying PPVs that if A doesn't happen you'll get B instead so they can't complain they got screwed over.

What are you talking about?

UFC 151 had a back up and jones refused it. What's the point of a back up if you can just refuse it?

Announcing that pavlovich is the back up fighter, mean if either jones or stipe pulls out the fight to expect is Jones vs pavlovich, or stipe vs pavlovich, neither of which happened so again i ask; what is the point of an official backup that's announced to the public if you're not going to make that match up?

 

[goOb]

I know Jones was hurt but honestly that doesn't mean Stipe should not have fought. Especially if they have a backup fighter. Jones is the one who fought more recently and looked great. Stipe however lost his last fight. I think he needs to take a fight to even see if he belongs in the picture anymore. At this point, to be very honest, Stipe should just retire he is only going to do that after this next one anyway. If there is a backup, then contractually they should put the wording in there to make the backup fight happen.

 

[Paul E Gensinger]

I'm still pissy about Gamrot not getting the Islam fight lol.
For Stipe not fighting Pav, I guess he looked at the risk/reward factor along with knowing he's at the end of his career with not many fights left and decided to reject it.

The UFC probably aren't too happy with that and now he's gonna have to actually have to work his way back to another shot this time, tbh I'm kinda glad with how things turned out since now we got a fucking awesome fight in Pav/Aspinall.

If Stipe was unwilling to fight Pavlovich, then he doesn't deserve to fight Jones for the actual title.

 

[Question]

If Stipe was unwilling to fight Pavlovich, then he doesn't deserve to fight Jones for the actual title.

Apparently it came out that Stipe wasn't even offered Pav even tho he was the replacement, don't quote me on it since I'm not 100% certain.
I guess they're pulling a Bisping/GSP and Yoel/Whittaker 1 type situation.

 

[TrueBias]

If Stipe was unwilling to fight Pavlovich, then he doesn't deserve to fight Jones for the actual title.

Yeah, honestly, are we really on the edge of our seat to see stipe fight again? If jones cant fight him, jones can fight someone else. Jones is what makes the fight, stipe isnt necessary.

 

[Paul E Gensinger]

Apparently it came out that he wasn't even offered Pav even tho he was the replacement, don't quote me on it since I'm not 100% certain.
I guess they're pulling a Bisping/GSP and Yoel/Whittaker 1 type situation.

How is that actually possible? I'm pretty sure Stipe was told Jones was injured. I'm pretty sure he knew Pavlovich was the backup. Other great fighters fought for the interim (GayG and Porier). I don't buy that Stipe is above the interim belt. He's coming off a loss and I'm sorry but you can't get a title shot coming off a loss.
Stipe is handpicked by Jones as an easy win, just like Gane.

Why does Sherdog melt my phone?
NO other site in 2023 does this.

 

[Question]

How is that actually possible? I'm pretty sure Stipe was told Jones was injured. I'm pretty sure he knew Pavlovich was the backup. Other great fighters fought for the interim (GayG and Porier). I don't buy that Stipe is above the interim belt. He's coming off a loss and I'm sorry but you can't get a title shot coming off a loss.
Stipe is handpicked by Jones as an easy win, just like Gane.

Why does Sherdog melt my phone?
NO other site in 2023 does this.

Dude idk anymore, UFC have been fucking nuts this year.
They seem to be looking to book Jones/Stipe again and it'll most likely be a double retirement fight, after that the Pav/Aspinall winner will most likely be promoted to undisputed.

 

[SkinnyClaw]

I just don't get it.


They have a back up for the fight last weekend, they don't use him. They have a back up for the up coming ppv and they dont use him against the original opponent. We know both stipe and jones weren't going to either Aspinall or Pavlovich, So why have an official back up if the back up isn't going to replace the initial fight?

The backup is there in case they need to use him, it doesn't mean he's guaranteed anything, even if one of the fighters pulls out. If they need him, they will use him, but if they can make an even better fight (Islam vs Volk), why wouldn't they do that instead?

If Wonderboy was backup for Colby vs Edwards, because no one else wanted to do it, but a week before the fight Khabib says he's coming back and he will fight Colby, because Edwards got hurt, they would obviously make that fight instead

 

[Luckyme]

I'm guessing the backup is so that if the fight fell apart on the day of the event with a freak injury, failed weight, etc they have someone on weight ready to go.

That makes sense. But would the other fighter still have the right to refuse the fight?

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

You guys are acting like the UFC isn't going to promote Pav/Aspinall winner to undisputed champion and have Stipe vs Jon "put on the biggest fight in MGS history, the greatest legacy fight in MMA".
Some fights don't need a title, that's one of them. Jon will be a baby about it, but inevitably he'll be stripped of the title especially if the new champ wants another fight to defend in the meantime. If both Stipe and Jon confirm retirement, which we all know they will with an extra year added on, it's all but certain.

 

[Paul E Gensinger]

Dude idk anymore, UFC have been fucking nuts this year.
They seem to be looking to book Jones/Stipe again and it'll most likely be a double retirement fight, after that the Pav/Aspinall winner will most likely be promoted to undisputed.

After waiting how long though?
Aspinall going to wait a year to defend?

 

[Question]

After waiting how long though?
Aspinall going to wait a year to defend?

Maybe they'll do interim title defenses lol.
It's a really weird situation, I have no clue why the UFC just don't drop the Stipe fight completely and pay Jones some extra cash to take on the winner of this.

 

[markys00]

I don't get the confusion.

 

[Paul E Gensinger]

Maybe they'll do interim title defenses lol.
It's a really weird situation, I have no clue why the UFC just don't drop the Stipe fight completely and pay Jones some extra cash to take on the winner of this.

That's the point of an interim title: to unify with the actual title. If Jones refuses to fight Aspinall, then he's stripped. Period. End of story.
(assuming Tom beats Pavlovich)

 

[cws80us]

The Gamrot thing made absolutely no sense. He was "officially" designated as the backup for Oliveira-Makhachev. Presumably, he was training and cutting weight in order to be ready. Oliveira pulls out, and they never even considered him. They called everyone else under the sun. In the end they screwed the pooch because they diminished one of their biggest stars (Volk) for nothing.

 

[Tweak896]

Backup is the guy the UFC can afford to throw like 10k for them to be in shape or half a training camp for replacement. I'm sure guys who people want to watch like Volk or someone don't do training camps like that for nothing. So you get the mid top 10 guys who will take any spot they can get, but UFC would rather pay top tier guys extra last minute if they can.

 

[Royce's Gi]

The Gamrot thing made absolutely no sense. He was "officially" designated as the backup for Oliveira-Makhachev. Presumably, he was training and cutting weight in order to be ready. Oliveira pulls out, and they never even considered him. They called everyone else under the sun. In the end they screwed the pooch because they diminished one of their biggest stars (Volk) for nothing.

Hope they paid Gamrot for all the preparation and cutting

 

[jnes]

Not a god damn thing apparently. The fighters should refuse to be backups now.

Get paid a good purse to cut weight, likelihood of fighting is miniscule. Seems like a good deal.

 

[CC27]

does this actually have to be explained again?