Official Women's Division Discussion #26

[leto1776]

That was a nice win but Whitmire is bottom of the barrel ufc SW, Ribas herself was smashed by Polyana Viana (0-2ufc sw) she's not going to be even top 15 in 18 months.

With the way the rankings work, she’ll easily get ranked if she wins by finish in her second fight. If she bleached her hair, she could find herself as high as #11.

 

[leto1776]

Some news:

I don't understand the point of having the rematch at atomweight, other than A. ONE has multiweight champ fever just like the UFC, and B. Better chance of Lee winning if Xiong comes in drained.

In other news, Road FC had their their open female tryouts as part of their Central League amateur event Saturday, and signed two fighters who will make their debut under the Road FC banner later.

Eun-Jeong Lee, 25, trains out of Team Finish and gave up her part time job at a bank to train full time. As you can tell by the picture, she was overjoyed it paid off.

Yu-Jin Shin, 15, trains out of Songtan MMA Multi-Gym alongside Road FC fighter Yun-Ha Hong (pictured). She started training boxing in the sixth grade, and soon picked up BJJ and mma. It seems her dream is to be a fighter, and has the support of her parents.
source: http://roadfc.co.kr/main/news/news_view.php?key=JTI1MjUzREFETjRJVE0=

 

[Better Every Day]

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[Askafan]

Who is this Kyrgyz featherweight Barchinaya Uzginbaeva fighting Calie Cutler on some random Michigan card on Tuesday? Any connection to the sisters?

Maybe it's part of some long term plan for a future UFC Bishkek ..... preferably on horseback with bow and arrows.

 

[PolarBearPaulVarelans]

That was a nice win but Whitmire is bottom of the barrel ufc SW, Ribas herself was smashed by Polyana Viana (0-2ufc sw) she's not going to be even top 15 in 18 months.

Why would a fight outside the UFC promotion from almost 4 years ago, when Ribas had just turned 22 and was a little over a year into her career, have any relevance on either the rankings or Ribas' current level of fighting ability?

One would think that followers of WMMA, which sees some insane improvements from fight to fight, nevermind the improvement of a very young fighter over the course of 3 years, would understand how ridiculous this is.

 

[Kaybee]

Who is this Kyrgyz featherweight Barchinaya Uzginbaeva fighting Calie Cutler on some random Michigan card on Tuesday? Any connection to the sisters?

Maybe it's part of some long term plan for a future UFC Bishkek ..... preferably on horseback with bow and arrows.

Not sure, but her nickname is "Ronda" and her name literally has BAE in it so I'll be rooting for her

 

[Eater of Souls]

Wow, this Madeline person seems to pack an awful lot of crazy into a very small package.

The official term for this is ex-wife.

 

[Mmmmmmma1234]

Why would a fight outside the UFC promotion from almost 4 years ago, when Ribas had just turned 22 and was a little over a year into her career, have any relevance on either the rankings or Ribas' current level of fighting ability?

One would think that followers of WMMA, which sees some insane improvements from fight to fight, nevermind the improvement of a very young fighter over the course of 3 years, would understand how ridiculous this is.

Ribas had two fights since then. She's not going to improve leaps and bounds taking years off and occasionally sparring. I'm not saying she's not gotten better she probably beats Viana now, but she's far from where she needs to be to contend.

I remember you asking who Yoder could beat with her improvements and she easily beats Whitmire too.

 

[Xuh]

Ribas was winning the fight vs Viana anyway, she just slipped on advertising on the mat and Viana cleaned her clock while she was trying to regain her balance.
I'm surprised how often I've been pointing that out, it was even a thing for gamblingbros to talk about when Viana was fighting the last few years ('look she can strike a bit and has some power!'), now when Ribas was fighting ('she got KO'd by Viana she must suck!') and here and there in between.

Anyway, I guess that's why the UFC doesn't allow sponsors in the cage.

...JOKE! of course we know the UFC can and does cover the cage floor with all and any old crap to accrue money to itself. It's just the fighters who aren't allowed sponsors in the cage. They have the awesome Reebok deal so why would they need that? It's for their own good.

(at least UFC's mat sponsor decals seem to be non-slip).

Anyway having discussed Ribas's frankenstein knee a little. What about her eye scar ? I thought it might be a recent wound not fully healed yet but it looks like it might be there on some older pics too. Who is her medic anyway, Doctor Butcher M.D.?
They showed closeups of all fighter's eyes on the screens during their walkouts which highlights this:

Sure it looks badass, but it's a pretty big liability - a fight ending cut always just a moment away.

 

[Eater of Souls]

Ribas was winning the fight vs Viana anyway, she just slipped on advertising on the mat and Viana cleaned her clock while she was trying to regain her balance.
I'm surprised how often I've been pointing that out, it was even a thing for gamblingbros to talk about when Viana was fighting the last few years ('look she can strike a bit and has some power!'), now when Ribas was fighting ('she got KO'd by Viana she must suck!') and here and there in between.

Anyway, I guess that's why the UFC doesn't allow sponsors in the cage.

...JOKE! of course we know the UFC can and does cover the cage floor with all and any old crap to accrue money to itself. It's just the fighters who aren't allowed sponsors in the cage. They have the awesome Reebok deal so why would they need that? It's for their own good.



(at least UFC's mat sponsor decals seem to be non-slip).

Anyway having discussed Ribas's frankenstein knee a little. What about her eye scar ? I thought it might be a recent wound not fully healed yet but it looks like it might be there on some older pics too. Who is her medic anyway, Doctor Butcher M.D.?
They showed closeups of all fighter's eyes on the screens during their walkouts which highlights this:

Sure it looks badass, but it's a pretty big liability - a fight ending cut always just a moment away.

Yeah, that was shitty. Looks like some clown in the gym sewed it up.

 

[PolarBearPaulVarelans]

Ribas had two fights since then. She's not going to improve leaps and bounds taking years off and occasionally sparring.

Except that's not what happened. Ribas was off for 3 years primarily due to a USADA violation. According to her, she has been training and sparring like crazy in the gym during that time, and competing in everything except for MMA.

Again, comparing the skills she showed when she was 22 and 1 year into her career to now, when she is almost 26 and 5 years into her career is foolhardy.

I'm not saying she's not gotten better she probably beats Viana now, but she's far from where she needs to be to contend.

Nice try at a bait-and-switch, but that's not what we were discussing, and that's not what you claimed. You said that Ribas is nowhere close to being ranked because she lost to Viana. That's silly. It would be like claiming that Amanda Nunes is no good because she lost to Sarah D'Alelio.

I remember you asking who Yoder could beat with her improvements and she easily beats Whitmire too.

Yoder's wrestling and jits is nowhere near the level of Ribas. Most likely, Ribas takes her down and chokes her out the exact same way she did with Whitmire.

In fact, Whitmire (who has improved considerably herself) might even have better grappling than Yoder. Her double-leg against Albu is way better than Yoder's laughable attempts, or her sloppy hip tosses.

 

[PurpleStorm]

@Purple Storm,

Thanks! I really enjoyed watching that. Madeline is kind of growing on me; I liked her "Please don't rip my arm off" face when she was looking at Satoko.And, it's nice to see Satoko lighten up a bit; I can remember when she got bent - and wasn't down for any clowning - when she was forced to fight a TV "talent". And Shinashi is looking tip-top at 42 and post-kid! Very impressive!

Jarl

My favorite part is at 16:00. Baby starts crying. Madeline's scream shuts the kid up.

Yeah, Satoko looks impressive. I can see why you like her. Great performance the other night.

 

[werepig]

r.e: ribas v. whitmire. ribas trains out of american top team, while whitmire trains at xtreme couture. i suspect that would make a significant difference in their development - ribas trains alongside tecia, joanna et. al., doubt whitmire have the same luxury of training alongside other top wmma fighters

 

[Eater of Souls]

r.e: ribas v. whitmire. ribas trains out of american top team, while whitmire trains at xtreme couture. i suspect that would make a significant difference in their development - ribas trains alongside tecia, joanna et. al., doubt whitmire have the same luxury of training alongside other top wmma fighters

Has Xtreme Couture produced any good women (meaning from start to finish, not did some #1 contender show up there and train for a belt)?

 

[werepig]

Has Xtreme Couture produced any good women (meaning from start to finish, not did some #1 contender show up there and train for a belt)?

only miesha tate to the best of my knowledge

eta: my bad, didn't read the question properly - miesha was a high school wrestler prior to joining xtreme couture

 

[JarlSkuld]

My favorite part is at 16:00. Baby starts crying. Madeline's scream shuts the kid up.

Yeah, Satoko looks impressive. I can see why you like her. Great performance the other night.

Satoko gets some flak, but I think it's more a matter of "Don't hate the player, hate the game." Yeah, Shinashi is a veteran fighter with extensive training and experience...but she IS 42 and is always undersized (since she isn't a true atom weight). Is her getting matched up with a young rookie any worse than....

Megumi Fuji gets nothing but respect, despite mercilessly destroying debutante's Serin Murray (who got her foot broken, IIRC) and Wu Bun Chu and several fighters with losing records. You rarely hear anything bad about Kazushi Sakuraba...but he beat debutantes Don Sik Yun (in the first round of a tournament, no less) and Andrews Nakahara...as well as Shannon Ritch (a fighter with 85 losses). For some reason, they get little to no flak, but Shinashi does. This kind of match-making doesn't make sense to us, but it's just how things are done in Japan.

Yeah...I know I shouldn't fall for Madeline's schtick...it's far beyond cringeworthy. But, I just can't help it. I'm starting to become a fan. Plus, her piling up of losses early in her career (and not giving up) reminds me of a determined youngster who lost 12 of her first 13 fights that I happened to like.

Jarl

 

[PolarBearPaulVarelans]

r.e: ribas v. whitmire. ribas trains out of american top team, while whitmire trains at xtreme couture. i suspect that would make a significant difference in their development - ribas trains alongside tecia, joanna et. al., doubt whitmire have the same luxury of training alongside other top wmma fighters

This is so silly. Ribas only very recently started training at ATT, and isn't even there full-time.

There are also plenty of ATT regulars who either haven't evolved/improved at all (including one you mentioned, Tecia Torres) or aren't good to begin with. And Whitmire has improved MASSIVELY since her miserable loss to Robertson.

Blaming a fighter's woes on their camp is incredibly lame and loserish to begin with. Especially considering we've seen top 5 undefeated fighters come from tiny camps (Aspen Ladd, Felicia Spencer) and elite champions being trained by their husband/boyfriend in a garage (Julia Budd).

If you think WMMA deserves respect, then respect the fighters. Fighters take responsibility for their shortcomings instead of blaming it on everyone else.

 

[werepig]

This is so silly. Ribas only very recently started training at ATT, and isn't even there full-time.

There are also plenty of ATT regulars who either haven't evolved/improved at all (including one you mentioned, Tecia Torres) or aren't good to begin with. And Whitmire has improved MASSIVELY since her miserable loss to Robertson.

Blaming a fighter's woes on their camp is incredibly lame and loserish to begin with. Especially considering we've seen top 5 undefeated fighters come from tiny camps (Aspen Ladd, Felicia Spencer) and elite champions being trained by their husband/boyfriend in a garage (Julia Budd).

If you think WMMA deserves respect, then respect the fighters. Fighters take responsibility for their shortcomings instead of blaming it on everyone else.

my post was merely conjecture, what exactly is your argument here

 

[msm1981]

This is so silly. Ribas only very recently started training at ATT, and isn't even there full-time.

There are also plenty of ATT regulars who either haven't evolved/improved at all (including one you mentioned, Tecia Torres) or aren't good to begin with. And Whitmire has improved MASSIVELY since her miserable loss to Robertson.

Blaming a fighter's woes on their camp is incredibly lame and loserish to begin with. Especially considering we've seen top 5 undefeated fighters come from tiny camps (Aspen Ladd, Felicia Spencer) and elite champions being trained by their husband/boyfriend in a garage (Julia Budd).

If you think WMMA deserves respect, then respect the fighters. Fighters take responsibility for their shortcomings instead of blaming it on everyone else.

Talking about tiny camps MMA Gold (Aspen Ladd's camp) only has 6 fighters that mainly
are California based while The Jungle MMA (Felicia Spencer's camp) only has her as a pro
since the rest of the camp is amateur fighters getting started or getting ready to go pro and
regards to Gibson MMA the only fighters there is Julia Budd & Lance Gibson Jr so Lance
Gibson more then not has idle days when he is not preparing his son or wife for fights.

 

[PolarBearPaulVarelans]

my post was merely conjecture, what exactly is your argument here

No, it isn't. That Ribas has only briefly trained at ATT and isn't there full-time (unlike Whitmire, who has been training full-time at Extreme Couture for a long time) is a fact.

That not every female who trains at ATT magically improves or even becomes good is a fact.

Blaming a fighter's loss on their (solid) camp, however, is worse than conjecture; it's a sorry-ass, loser excuse.