Official Women's Division Discussion #26

[leto1776]

This popped up in my newsfeed: http://invictafc.com/2019/07/02/pam...tle-for-featherweight-title-at-invicta-fc-36/

"The current Invicta FC 36 fight card can be found below:

Featherweight Title: Pam Sorenson vs. Kaitlin Young
Strawweight: Janaisa Morandin vs. Emily Ducote
Atomweight: Jéssica Delboni vs. Lindsey VanZandt
Strawweight: Kailin Curran vs. TBA
Flyweight: Stephanie Geltmacher vs. Victoria Leonardo
Atomweight: Alyse Anderson vs. Anastasia Nikolakakos
Flyweight: Chantel Coates vs. Caitlin Sammons
Bantamweight: Erin Harpe vs. Auttumn Norton
Bantamweight: Megan Cawley vs. Julia Ottolino"

Finally, some wmma news this week (hard to do a weekly live broadcast when there’s almost no news to talk about), and boy is this some good shit! Young in a well earned title bout. Ductoe finally in Invicta at her proper weight class. VandZandt is back after a two fight stint in Bellator. Curran still on the road to redemption after a strong showing in May. Geltmacher vs Leonardo, two finishers. Anderson and The Animal face off (about time they bring Anderso back after that flying triangle). Coates has the fastest KO ever in Invicta. Two bantamweight bouts to finish it off.

Damn good fight card, Invicta.

 

[Sausage_Carius]

I know you probably thought you are making a good point, but even if we disregard that UFC rolls on stuff @Xuh and @leto1776 mention, 10/9/6 and -/-/7 are


Do not say it, Bill! NO!

Anyway, like em both a lot, what got booked is much cooler and better idea from any imaginable standpoint.

That's why nobody imagined it until Dana announced it.

That just proves Sherdog has zero imagination and yes I'm including myself in it as I didn't see it coming either but then again I'm not an expert like 90% here so what does that really say.

 

[msm1981]

This popped up in my newsfeed: http://invictafc.com/2019/07/02/pam...tle-for-featherweight-title-at-invicta-fc-36/

"The current Invicta FC 36 fight card can be found below:

Featherweight Title: Pam Sorenson vs. Kaitlin Young
Strawweight: Janaisa Morandin vs. Emily Ducote
Atomweight: Jéssica Delboni vs. Lindsey VanZandt
Strawweight: Kailin Curran vs. TBA
Flyweight: Stephanie Geltmacher vs. Victoria Leonardo
Atomweight: Alyse Anderson vs. Anastasia Nikolakakos
Flyweight: Chantel Coates vs. Caitlin Sammons
Bantamweight: Erin Harpe vs. Auttumn Norton
Bantamweight: Megan Cawley vs. Julia Ottolino"

A couple of facts worth mentioning
I initially mentioned the name Emily Ducote to the folks at Invicta via E-Mail when I bought
up she was worth a look but that was about 3 months ago.

Megan Cawley is a teammate to former Champion & now UFC Featherweight Felicia Spencer.

 

[leto1776]

A couple of facts worth mentioning
I initially mentioned the name Emily Ducote to the folks at Invicta via E-Mail when I bought
up she was worth a look but that was about 3 months ago.

Megan Cawley is a teammate to former Champion & now UFC Featherweight Felicia Spencer.

Just looked up Cawley. She was in Spencer’s corner for the Kolesnyk fight.

 

[GiSP]

A couple of facts worth mentioning
I initially mentioned the name Emily Ducote to the folks at Invicta via E-Mail when I bought
up she was worth a look but that was about 3 months ago.

Megan Cawley is a teammate to former Champion & now UFC Featherweight Felicia Spencer.

Cawley is a real cutie. Saw her in that Invicta Felicia Spencer Through the Ashes documentary. Then I saw her in TuffNUff and I like her. I wanted to see her make the next step. I wish her the best.

 

[MajorTB]

This popped up in my newsfeed: http://invictafc.com/2019/07/02/pam...tle-for-featherweight-title-at-invicta-fc-36/

"The current Invicta FC 36 fight card can be found below:

Featherweight Title: Pam Sorenson vs. Kaitlin Young
Strawweight: Janaisa Morandin vs. Emily Ducote
Atomweight: Jéssica Delboni vs. Lindsey VanZandt
Strawweight: Kailin Curran vs. TBA
Flyweight: Stephanie Geltmacher vs. Victoria Leonardo
Atomweight: Alyse Anderson vs. Anastasia Nikolakakos
Flyweight: Chantel Coates vs. Caitlin Sammons
Bantamweight: Erin Harpe vs. Auttumn Norton
Bantamweight: Megan Cawley vs. Julia Ottolino"

I actually can’t wait for this card. Ducote, Coates, and the main event are all things I’ll certainly tune in for.

Also, I have to give Invicta credit for their efforts in rebuilding the United States bantamweight scene. They’ve done a fantastic job of picking up fighters on the ammy scene or those who haven’t fought in a couple years.

 

[GiSP]

Just looked up Cawley. She was in Spencer’s corner for the Kolesnyk fight.

Yes, and she was “so proud” of Fee. I absolutely adored her during and after that fight. Her reaction to the Megan Anderson callout and reply was pretty good.

 

[SeverianB]

of course it's relevant. just like it's relevant that Michelle lost every time she fought an elite fighter

Stupid argument, considering Michelle's most recent win was over a higher ranked and more "elite" fighter than anyone Zhang has faced.

 

[msm1981]

I actually can’t wait for this card. Ducote, Coates, and the main event are all things I’ll certainly tune in for.

Also, I have to give Invicta credit for their efforts in rebuilding the United States bantamweight scene. They’ve done a fantastic job of picking up fighters on the ammy scene or those who haven’t fought in a couple years.

If the three stooges (Dana White,Mick Maynard & Sean Shelby) can stay away for a while then
Shannon Knapp can get Women's Bantamweight rebuilt to a division that in the next several years
could be doing well because the fighters had a chance to learn and possibly get championship
experience since both will be valuable at UFC or possibly Bellator if they ever open Women's
Bantamweight.

 

[PolarBearPaulVarelans]

Anyone have tape of Iony Razafiarison versus Pannie Kianzad at Superior Challenge 19? Thanks in advance.

 

[JarlSkuld]

I assume most people are picking Nunes. I am. If Nunes KOs Holly, do you think that would cement her as the WMMAGOAT ("Wommagoat"?). Any reflections on possible outcomes?

Jarl

 

[Mmmmmmma1234]

Except that's not what happened. Ribas was off for 3 years primarily due to a USADA violation. According to her, she has been training and sparring like crazy in the gym during that time, and competing in everything except for MMA.

Again, comparing the skills she showed when she was 22 and 1 year into her career to now, when she is almost 26 and 5 years into her career is foolhardy.

It's irrelevant that she was suspended as why she's been off the point is she hasn't been fighting. Oh well if Ribas says she's been training the entire time and sparring hard that's just as good as having real fights guess you think she's next after Zhang because she told us she's worked so hard over the inactivity.

Nice try at a bait-and-switch, but that's not what we were discussing, and that's not what you claimed. You said that Ribas is nowhere close to being ranked because she lost to Viana. That's silly. It would be like claiming that Amanda Nunes is no good because she lost to Sarah D'Alelio.



Yoder's wrestling and jits is nowhere near the level of Ribas. Most likely, Ribas takes her down and chokes her out the exact same way she did with Whitmire.

Great point it's the exact same, Nunes had years away from fighting since that Sarah loss and then returned to beat one of the worst girls in her weight class. Also maybe work on your reading comprehension unless you're deliberately trying to give me a false opinion so you can look smart arguing against yourself, I've never said she couldn't be ranked because of that loss, it only shows where she was 2 fights ago, and how far she's got to go, SW has women like jandiroba, Rodriguez, Xiaonan, Souza, Hill, Van Buren, all have been doing more then "sparring like crazy" for 3 years and are further along yet unranked in the UFC. Which leads me to believe it's gonna take more then 18 months for Ribas to get there, she could not even to fight someone as good as the women I listed by then.

In fact, Whitmire (who has improved considerably herself) might even have better grappling than Yoder. Her double-leg against Albu is way better than Yoder's laughable attempts, or her sloppy hip tosses.

Beating up Alba who does mma as a hobby shows improvements, OK. You just have a hard on for Whitmire and can't admit how awful she is.

 

[PolarBearPaulVarelans]

Oh well if Ribas says she's been training the entire time and sparring hard that's just as good as having real fights

Actually, it's pretty close. Real fights are useful, but the vast majority of improvement occurs in the gym. And you're a fool if you don't think that a fighter who is 22 and one year into her career is NOT going to improve dramatically over the next 4 years.

Great point it's the exact same, Nunes had years away from fighting since that Sarah loss and then returned to beat one of the worst girls in her weight class.

And Ribas is years away from fighting Viana. Hence the comparison.

Also maybe work on your reading comprehension

Projection is a cruel mental affliction.

Beating up Alba who does mma as a hobby shows improvements, OK. You just have a hard on for Whitmire and can't admit how awful she is.

You are painfully dumb.

I actually despise Whitmire, who is an arrogant asshole despite doing very little in the sport, and made a decent profit live-betting Ribas to beat her after round 1.

At the same time, if you can't acknowledge Whitmire's improvement from the time she was a barely Invicta-level talent who was decimated in 2 minutes by Robertson to executing a solid double-leg and choking out Albu in less than a minute than you are either blind, an idiot, or both.

Whitmire from the Robertson fight would barely last a minute against Ribas, let alone have been able to defend for most of round 1 and then end up in top position landing GNP.

Next time, try watching fights without whatever tinfoil hat theories and narratives you've built up beforehand.

 

[Mmmmmmma1234]

Actually, it's pretty close. Real fights are useful, but the vast majority of improvement occurs in the gym. And you're a fool if you don't think that a fighter who is 22 and one year into her career is NOT going to improve dramatically over the next 4 years.

You're right every fighter ever AUTOMATICALLY improves DRAMATICALLY just because time has passed there's no examples of hundreds of fighters who show little or no improvement let alone ones who arnt fighting while said time passes. You're the fool here.

 

[PolarBearPaulVarelans]

You're right every fighter ever AUTOMATICALLY improves DRAMATICALLY just because time has passed there's no examples of hundreds of fighters who show little or no improvement let alone ones who arnt fighting while said time passes. You're the fool here.

You would be very, very hard-pressed to find a 22 year-old with a year of professional fighting experience who didn't improve significantly in the next 4 years, provided he/she continued training seriously.

But by all means, feel free to provide some examples for us? After all, you claim there are "hundreds" of such fighters, so it should be easy. Watching you make a complete idiot of yourself here is amusing.

 

[aerius]

All this shit just made me go back and watch some of Ribas and Whitmire's older fights. You guys can argue camps, layoffs, and all that other shit all you want, but the proof is in the cage performance. Both fighters are greatly improved, end of story. Are they going to keep improving or will someone hit their ceiling soon? I don't know, only way to find out is to keep watching their fights and see where they go.

Bottom line. Whatever they're doing is working.

 

[PolarBearPaulVarelans]

Both fighters are greatly improved, end of story.

This is exactly what I wrote, dude. And which Mmmm1234 is fervently arguing against.

 

[aerius]

Random thoughts. We have seriously scary champs in the UFC right now.
At 135, Nunes is punching people's heads off and giving them permanent brain damage.
At 125, you have Shevchenko beating them to death (thank you Yamasaki) or kicking their heads off.
And down at 115, Andrade is slamming them unconscious or punching them silly.

It's like you work your way up to the title shot, and then you kinda regret it after you realize what the champs are about to do to you.

 

[leto1776]

 

[JarlSkuld]

Thanks, Leto! Rooting for Calie (but Barchynai is a real cutie)!

Jarl