Official Women's Division Discussion #26

[jemstar]

I guess I didn't have a grasp for just how bad Lipski's KSW competition was because she has been awful so far 2 fights into this UFC run.

 

[teddy078]

Well McCann‘s team clearly did their homework, lots of movement & successfully escape from clinch everytime.

And Lipski didn't show any improvement at all. She couldn't find the range if the opponent refuses to stand still in front of her. Even worse, she lost all her aggressiveness and threw meanless pitter-patter strikes.

 

[vgff]

I guess I didn't have a grasp for just how bad Lipski's KSW competition was because she has been awful so far 2 fights into this UFC run.

yeah, disappointing. she better make some moves now. she has the athleticism, frame and power..maybe she just lacks fighting talent?
anyhow, she should definitely try and make the most of it to find out, go out there and find the best coaches/team she can get and/or a mental coach.
if she then still fails, at least she can know she did everything she could
she's still young, not ready to write her off completely just yet

 

[Rizz]

Call me crazy but I think Molly might be a top 3 favorite fighter of mine right now. I don't care if she will never win the belt. As long as she is not matched up with strong grapplers she will put on a show. She gets that this is meant to be entertainment. I knew this was good matchmaking the minute I heard it.

 

[Sausage_Carius]

Another badly managed prospect by literally everyone involved. Lipski needs to stop being trained by her BF and get with someone that knows what to do with her. The UFC is not doing any favors with the matchups what so ever either. Whoever set this up should be flogged.

 

[teddy078]

I guess I didn't have a grasp for just how bad Lipski's KSW competition was because she has been awful so far 2 fights into this UFC run.

She was a very dangerous pocket fighter back then, her last fight in KSW showed that she didn't know how to fight strikers with good movements.

She reminds me of TRTless Vitor, former dangerous fighter somehow can't pull the trigger anymore. Not sure it's an USADA thing or her team can't give her good training and game plan.

 

[aerius]

Lipski looked like she downed half a bottle of Quaaludes before the fight. She was moving in slow motion, missing half her strikes by 5', and trying to point fight from the outside with no aggression. She was literally sleepwalking through her fight in the cage, like WTF.

 

[Rizz]

We have now seen Lipski out grappled by a bad grappler and out struck by Meatball. I think its safe to say she is not very good right now.

 

[Xuh]

The UFC is not doing any favors with the matchups what so ever either. Whoever set this up should be flogged.

Really though? This was about as good a matchup as they could have given her. She's supposed to have been a ferocious strker with good technique, so a brawler who is allergic to grappling was perfect on paper. What would a nicer matchup, Priscila Cachoiera? Based on that showing I wouldn't be too confident on Lipski winning that one either. & at that point you have to say, well, maybe she just isn't good enough for the UFC at all.

 

[Sausage_Carius]

Really though? This was about as good a matchup as they could have given her. She's supposed to have been a ferocious strker with good technique, so a brawler who is allergic to grappling was perfect on paper. What would a nicer matchup, Priscila Cachoiera? Based on that showing I wouldn't be too confident on Lipski winning that one either. & at that point you have to say, well, maybe she just isn't good enough for the UFC at all.

Based on what? Have you seen Meatball fight? She doesn't give a fuck. That's like Artem fighting guys in the top 15 and making them drop rounds or making it competitive. Idiotic is what it is.

No what they should have done is given her someone that isn't going to try and bite down the mouth guard and throw caution to the wind. I don't know who that is but I have seen Meatball fight before and this was just dumb. Plain dumb.

 

[Rizz]

I am watching the fight again and there was seriously a Meatball chant at the start of the 2nd round. I usually watch fights with the sound off to avoid bias commentary.

 

[lukeuidswords]

Lipski looked like she downed half a bottle of Quaaludes before the fight. She was moving in slow motion, missing half her strikes by 5', and trying to point fight from the outside with no aggression. She was literally sleepwalking through her fight in the cage, like WTF.

for a Kings-trained fighter its very odd. Cordiero normally instills his fighters with confidence and trains them to press the action.

 

[Xuh]

No what they should have done is given her someone that isn't going to try and bite down the mouth guard and throw caution to the wind. I don't know who that is but I have seen Meatball fight before and this was just dumb. Plain dumb.

So I guess that limits us to strikers who move backwards and throw low volume, and hope that Lipski can slightly outpoint them maybe?
That doesn't give a lot of scope for matchmakers to work with (especially for someone who is supposed to be a touted prospect). Anybody you have in mind at UFC level who fits the bill she might be able to compete against?

and certainly nobody who would ever think of shooting a takedown (I mean, Molly wasn't supposed to either, nor Calderwood for that matter) because Lipski has no grappling (& I don't mean 'no grappling' in as it usually is in a jokey way for people with bad grappling, I mean, she actually has no grappling).

 

[Sausage_Carius]

So I guess that limits us to strikers who move backwards and throw low volume, and hope that Lipski can slightly outpoint them maybe?
That doesn't give a lot of scope for matchmakers to work with (especially for someone who is supposed to be a touted prospect). Anybody you have in mind at UFC level who fits the bill she might be able to compete against?

and certainly nobody who would ever think of shooting a takedown (I mean, Molly wasn't supposed to either, nor Calderwood for that matter) because Lipski has no grappling (& I don't mean 'no grappling' in as it usually is in a jokey way for people with bad grappling, I mean, she actually has no grappling).

Like I said I don't. The UFC has the ability to scout talent for this purpose. It's not like we haven't seen them do that before. She is struggling and needs help. Bringing in cans to crush helps their confidence as they work on skillset. This is assuming she decides to work on her skillset or has that ability.

Lets not forget Shev was given a can to crush to build her back up and you wouldn't ever say her skills weren't there. Yes yes I heard about everyone turning down fighting her. Everyone leaves out the context in which that occurred in. That is nobody wants to fight her on short notice. It's idiotic.

Greg Hardy was also given a can and it has done wonders for his confidence.

 

[vgff]

Like I said I don't. The UFC has the ability to scout talent for this purpose. It's not like we haven't seen them do that before. She is struggling and needs help. Bringing in cans to crush helps their confidence as they work on skillset. This is assuming she decides to work on her skillset or has that ability.

Lets not forget Shev was given a can to crush to build her back up and you wouldn't ever say her skills weren't there. Yes yes I heard about everyone turning down fighting her. Everyone leaves out the context in which that occurred in. That is nobody wants to fight her on short notice. It's idiotic.

Greg Hardy was also given a can and it has gone wonders for his confidence.

could be argued it's Molly meatball who should be given cans to build herself on.
she can talk, she can fight, she even had the audience chanting her name by the 2nd round.

 

[Eater of Souls]

Really though? This was about as good a matchup as they could have given her. She's supposed to have been a ferocious strker with good technique, so a brawler who is allergic to grappling was perfect on paper. What would a nicer matchup, Priscila Cachoiera? Based on that showing I wouldn't be too confident on Lipski winning that one either. & at that point you have to say, well, maybe she just isn't good enough for the UFC at all.

The only people who praised her striking technique were promoters and those who studied only grappling. She is a good athlete with rudimentary technique. No distance control and footwork is shit. Great when she can stand and bang unless she gets pressured because she has never fought off the back foot worth a shit.

 

[Sausage_Carius]

could be argued it's Molly meatball who should be given cans to build herself on.
she can talk, she can fight, she even had the audience chanting her name by the 2nd round.

If you are going to continue that stupid shtick with me by being a contrarian at least make a lazy attempt to make sense.

You give cans to build fighters losing to build up their confidence and show people what they can do if given free reign.

 

[Eater of Souls]

Damn good work by Yoder. I do not ever remember a 30-24 score for a woman in the UFC. Does anyone?

 

[dim_]

The UFC is not doing any favors with the matchups what so ever either. Whoever set this up should be flogged.

I disagree. This was setup for Lipski. Shes a standup fighter with shitty ground game, so they gave her another standup fighter with a shitty ground game.

Molly's a sound girl, and she improves with every fight. But lets face it, if you are getting 30-27'd by Molly McCann you dont belong in the UFC

 

[Eater of Souls]

Oh?

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/bow-down-to-your-new-queen-ariane-lipski-joins-the-ufc.3831063/