Official War Room Awards 2017

[MacDuffle]

FWIW, I think Cubo's right. Granted, as an academic, I'm automatically going to find stuff like the Weinstein saga more interesting than most other news stories. But Jack, you mentioned that you care about "philosophy and shit." Well, if that's true, then you should be very interested in the Weinstein craziness, because the philosophical implications would be hilarious if they weren't so terrifying.

I'll also throw this out there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_W._Adorno#Confrontations_with_students

"Philosophically" the weinstein scandal should have taught you absolutely nothing if you understood "keep your hands to yourself" rhetoric since grade school

Sexual assault and/or propositioning your employees for sex in exchange for jobs is not that nuanced a subject to wrap your head around as far as ethics violations go

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

No, I think it's that you're extremely emotional about this topic, and finding out that your outrage is misplaced just makes you madder.

What you think is kinda irrelevant to the facts. One of us knows what I'm feeling and the other is some arrogant prick.

You've been informed.

 

[Bald1]

"Philosophically" the weinstein scandal should have taught you absolutely nothing if you understood "keep your hands to yourself" rhetoric since grade school

Sexual assault and/or propositioning your employees for sex in exchange for jobs is not that nuanced a subject to wrap your head around as far as ethics violations go

Lol. Once again, wrong Weinstein.

 

[MacDuffle]

Lol. Once again, wrong Weinstein.

Strange that you dangle on the mere last name then

 

[Bald1]

Strange that you dangle on the mere last name then

No idea what this is supposed to mean.

There are fewer Weinsteins than Brets, people generally use one name, and it's clear which Weinstein we're talking about.

 

[MacDuffle]

No idea what this is supposed to mean.

There are fewer Weinsteins than Brets, people generally use one name, and it's clear which Weinstein we're talking about.

Nobody tracked that racism bait story on anywhere near the same level as the actual weinstein scandal of the year

So yes, it is strange that you dub it the weinstein saga

 

[Bald1]

Nobody tracked that racism bait story on anywhere near the same level as the actual weinstein scandal of the year

So yes, it is strange that you dub it the weinstein saga

I didn't dub it shit. The last few pages have been all about Evergreen, so it's not very strange to be talking about the Weinstein involved in that story.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Nobody tracked that racism bait story on anywhere near the same level as the actual weinstein scandal of the year

So yes, it is strange that you dub it the weinstein saga

Dude. You jumped into the middle of a conversation and misjudged what was being discussed. Just adapt and move on.

 

[MacDuffle]

Dude. You jumped into the middle of a conversation and misjudged what was being discussed. Just adapt and move on.

FWIW, I think Cubo's right. Granted, as an academic, I'm automatically going to find stuff like the Weinstein saga more interesting than most other news stories. But Jack, you mentioned that you care about "philosophy and shit." Well, if that's true, then you should be very interested in the Weinstein craziness, because the philosophical implications would be hilarious if they weren't so terrifying.

I'll also throw this out there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_W._Adorno#Confrontations_with_students

^ Survey says you thought kids faking racism was the craziest thing weinstein-related all year

 

[Bald1]

Nobody tracked that racism bait story on anywhere near the same level as the actual weinstein scandal of the year

So yes, it is strange that you dub it the weinstein saga

And just because it's here... Racism bait story? A dude was literally chased off campus for not voluntarily dismissing himself for a day due to the color of his skin.


But it's more important that a sleezeball asked for sexual favours in exchange for career advancement? Ok then.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

A couple of things -

Do you believe there's a faction on the left, no matter how small or young, that is behaving outside of the norm of liberal behavior?

Is leftist a suitable term to differentiate between mainstream and fringe liberals?

The problem is the term leftist has lost all meaning because so many on the right use it to describe anyone on the left .

 

[Bald1]

The problem is the term leftist has lost all meaning because so many on the right use it to describe anyone on the left .

Well, I want to differentiate myself from these loons. I'm as socially liberal as you can get and have 0 in common with whatever these folks claim to be.

 

[MacDuffle]

And just because it's here... Racism bait story? A dude was literally chased off campus for not voluntarily dismissing himself for a day due to the color of his skin.


But it's more important that a sleezeball asked for sexual favours in exchange for career advancement? Ok then.

Nobody's ranking crimes like some bizarro justice league bulletin board

Saying weinstein saga/craziness is a legitimately unusual way of pointing to that particular story, given how huge the actual weinstein scandal was last year

Sounds like a few posters too upset to admit it wasn't close to being on the same level of news coverage or name recognition

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Sounds like a few posters too upset to admit it wasn't close to being on the same level of news coverage or name recognition

Sounds to me like people think it's good enough that the (rightful or not) mistake was corrected and it's time to move on.

 

[Bald1]

Nobody's ranking crimes like some bizarro justice league bulletin board

Saying weinstein saga/craziness is a legitimately unusual way of pointing to that particular story, given how huge the actual weinstein scandal was last year

Sounds like a few posters too upset to admit it wasn't close to being on the same level of news coverage or name recognition

Lol. You're out to lunch on this.

- @JDragon nominated me lest bias WR poster
- I replied that there are topics I'm not impartial on
- @Jack V Savage and I got on the topic of Evergreen, and Weinstein
- bunch of other folks chimed in on the same topic
- pages later you had a brainfart due to not reading many previous posts

It's all good. Nobody is perfect, but goid luck trying to put a spin on this.

 

[MacDuffle]

Sounds to me like people think it's good enough that the (rightful or not) mistake was corrected and it's time to move on.

Lol. You're out to lunch on this.

- @JDragon nominated me lest bias WR poster
- I replied that there are topics I'm not impartial on
- @Jack V Savage and I got on the topic of Evergreen, and Weinstein
- bunch of other folks chimed in on the same topic
- pages later you had a brainfart due to not reading many previous posts

It's all good. Nobody is perfect, but goid luck trying to put a spin on this.

Sounds to me like a lot of justification spun treading water to keep suggesting I had no business poking fun at the last name lean to refer to a story less covered than the weinstein scandal of the year

 

[Jack V Savage]

All those words accusing me of being wrong, yet never once pointing out where I erred.

Were white people asked to "excuse" themselves on the basis of skin colour? Yes or no?

And yes, we have as a society decided that dictating to people what they can or can not to, based solely on melanin content is the wrong thing to do.

I pointed it out pretty clearly, actually. Might want to take a deep breath and re-read.

And, sure, that last sentence is close enough, but it doesn't accurately represent the situation we're discussing. For what it's worth, I agree that if your fantasy version of events were true, it would be bad. The issue is that it is not, and further, you're unable to weigh in on that because of how deeply committed you are to the narrative.

What you think is kinda irrelevant to the facts. One of us knows what I'm feeling and the other is some arrogant prick.

You've been informed.

The facts are relevant to what I think, though. You communicated very clearly that you are too emotional about the issue to consider the possibility that you have the facts wrong (we're not discussing differences of opinion about the facts).

 

[Lead]

The problem is the term leftist has lost all meaning because so many on the right use it to describe anyone on the left .

I'd say the same is true for whatever alt right is. Labels usually aren't useful, especially when they don't have an agreed upon definition. People would be better off attack the actually actions of whatever person/ group then slowly building up a title to use to smear others. It isn't useful in the long term unless a clear identity can be reached and usually with politics that's hard to do.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I'd say the same is true for whatever alt right is. Labels usually aren't useful, especially when they don't have an agreed upon definition. People would be better off attack the actually actions of whatever person/ group then slowly building up a title to use to smear others. It isn't useful in the long term unless a clear identity can be reached and usually with politics that's hard to do.

"Alt-right" is self-applied, though. I think that's the test of whether a term has any real meaning. If there are people who call themselves it, it does; if it's applied to others who don't accept it, it doesn't.

 

[Lead]

Sounds to me like a lot of justification spun treading water to keep suggesting I had no business poking fun at the last name lean to refer to a story less covered than the weinstein scandal of the year

Either way, everyone now knows what is being talked about now. Are we really going to continue an argument over a misunderstanding that has been clarified?