RBR ***Official*** Sherdog Sanctioned Usyk vs. Fury 2: Reignited 12/21 11AM ET (DAZN)

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Usyk won but like usual people are exaggerating how much he dominated and his "skill." Fury's got to be one of the slowest, most unathletic heavyweights I've ever seen in the ring. And I don't know where this concept of Fury being a master boxer came from. His size allows him to use the opposite of proper technique against lesser opponents - that's it. This era of HWs is just really weak.

You are not watching peak Fury. peak Fury had much better movement

 

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Imagine trying to outbox instead of the mauling approach.

Fury learned nothing.

Yikes.

he probably gassed a bit half weight in the first fight and wanted to avoid that

 

[Substance Abuse]

You are not watching peak Fury. peak Fury had much better movement

You're not watching peak Usyk who is older than Fury.

 

[TITS]

No.

45?

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

You're not watching peak Usyk who is older than Fury.

Yep. Usyk isn't as fast as he was a few years ago. I tell people to go back and watch the first Joshua fight.

 

[Substance Abuse]

Yep. Usyk isn't as fast as he was a few years ago. I tell people to go back and watch the first Joshua fight.

Usyk is finally a legit heavyweight with the size he put on, but he's less of an athlete than he was before it. I couldn't care less about perceived strength of the division. We've had people argue for a decade about Anderson's MW era against Adesanya's, and the result is some people think both suck. At the end of the day, what Usyk has done is ridiculous and literally unheard of during the four belt era at HW. Stop hating on him and laud him with praise.

 

[Givvee]

You are not watching peak Fury. peak Fury had much better movement

Agree, if you compare this version of him to the one that fought Tom Schwarz, Otto Wallin, he's just way to fat now, and looks like he's lost a step. But you know, even at his peak, he couldn't hold a candle to the likes of Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, Riddick Bowe, I think even guys like Oliver McCall, Tony Tucker and Razor Ruddock would beat him as well.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Usyk is finally a legit heavyweight with the size he put on, but he's less of an athlete than he was before it. I couldn't care less about perceived strength of the division. We've had people argue for a decade about Anderson's MW era against Adesanya's, and the result is some people think both suck. At the end of the day, what Usyk has done is ridiculous and literally unheard of during the four belt era at HW. Stop hating on him and laud him with praise.

Agreed. If this was so easy to do then there'd be more cruisers going to heavyweight and becoming undisputed. The only other cruiserweight champ to do it was Holyfield. The latter fought in a better heavyweight era but not even he was able to clean the division out. He became undisputed there by beating Douglas. Not long after he lost to Bowe, Moorer, lost the trilogy to Bowe, and then lost to Lewis all within the same decade (90s). Usyk has already beaten all of the top dogs. He's just giving rematches now.

 

[BEATDOWNS]

You're not watching peak Usyk who is older than Fury.

3-1 Usyk means judges 1-3 Fury!! just stfu already lol

 

[BEATDOWNS]

45?

getting closer

 

[CelestialKiller]

You know, when I read comments from people on boxing forums like this I can't help but laugh.

First off Tyson Fury was never good. He was only good to delusional biased people who only liked him for clearly obvious reason. The same people who constantly say 180 pound Marciano was a ATG heavyweight.

Fury is pushing 40 years old now. Who has he beat? A 40 year old timid Wladimir Klitschko and didn't even look good. Deontay Wilder a guy who is pushing 40 himself and never did anything in his career besides beat 50 year Luis Ortiz?

Fury throws slapping arm punches. He is never accurate with his punches. Even years ago you will fights where he would land less than 20 percent of his punches. For example he only landed 17 percent of his punches against Francesco Pianeta and only landed 100 punches in 10 rounds.
Fury could never take a punch well which is why light punching 180 pound Steve Cunningham flattened him and light punching Neven Pajkic was able to put him down.


Then we have Usyk. At heavyweight who did he baet? Chazz Witherspoon? A faded Derek Chisora and struggled to beat him. The same Chisora who got destroyed years before by blown up former cruiser weight David Haye. Usyk then beat Anthony Joshua after Andy Ruiz knocked him out first. Usyk then beat Daniel Dubois after slow Joe Joyce beat him first. Then finally Usyk beat junky fat boy Tyson Fury.

Lol now you see these biased people talk about Usyk is a ATG great heavyweight. This is why I can't you people serious and why I rarely post here anymore. Funny stuff.

 

[CelestialKiller]

Agreed. If this was so easy to do then there'd be more cruisers going to heavyweight and becoming undisputed. The only other cruiserweight champ to do it was Holyfield. The latter fought in a better heavyweight era but not even he was able to clean the division out. He became undisputed there by beating Douglas. Not long after he lost to Bowe, Moorer, lost the trilogy to Bowe, and then lost to Lewis all within the same decade (90s). Usyk has already beaten all of the top dogs. He's just giving rematches now.

Lol the top guys? Usyk has never fought a top heavyweight because in this era there are no top heavyweights. But even when you get past that . Usyk will just cherry pick guys to get the most money while taking that least risk.

For example Usyk will never fat Agit Kabayel or whatever the guys name is because he knows he will loose. Usyk will either try to fight Fury again or Dubois again instead of fighting a new challenger

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Lol the top guys? Usyk has never fought a top heavyweight because in this era there are no top heavyweights. But even when you get past that . Usyk will just cherry pick guys to get the most money while taking that least risk.

For example Usyk will never fat Agit Kabayel or whatever the guys name is because he knows he will loose. Usyk will either try to fight Fury again or Dubois again instead of fighting a new challenger

LOL you must be trolling. Usyk has literally never cherrypicked in his life. He's cleaned out both divisions he's fought in. At cruiserweight he won the Super Series tournament. You can't cherrypick there, genius. Then he unified heavyweight by beating the Top 3 guys. Most of his biggest career wins have come in his opponents' own backyards.

 

[Superzorro]

Are Joshua & Dubois unathletic and slow? If you don't realize how skilled Usyk is to be beating guys twice his size then you're ignorant. In the last 45 years only a couple other cruiserweight champs managed to win world titles at heavyweight and one of them is an ATG named Evander Holyfield. Heavyweight may not have the talent it used to but Usyk unified the most stacked cruiserweight division since its inception in 1979.

I don't care what anybody says. Dubois stopped Usyk to the body.

Joshua is athletic, not fast. He's somewhat skilled, but he's a complete mental disaster that has zero heart and zero fighting instinct. Dubois is fast and athletic, but skill wise doesn't have much to offer outside of closing his eyes and winging power shots.

I wouldn't consider any of the fighters he faced at cruiserweight to be on the level of say a James Toney or Evander Holyfield. So when you say most stacked cruiserweight division, what do you mean exactly? Another thing to consider is that cruiserweight has never really been known for its high level of competition. So the accomplishments and belts are nice and all. But I look more at the wins themselves.
Don't get me wrong, Usyk is a great fighter. But it's a bit exaggerated right now. He never wins decisively. And he always looks vulnerable.

Oh whatever.

Fury been undefeated this whole time, until Usyk come his way.

Just quit watching.

That's got to be one of the sassiest responses I've ever read on this site. You forgot the nail polish emoji and the z-snap.

Jokes aside, I don't want to hear it-- Fury went life and death with Wilder. You all criticized Wilder's skills and his level of competition to death for being a trash tier. I agree with that, but we can't have it both ways.

You are not watching peak Fury. peak Fury had much better movement

It's always looked incredibly clunky, clumsy and uncoordinated to me. For some reason, people attribute abusing reach, pot shotting and showboating with actual boxing skill. Fury's technique is horrible. He only gets away with it due to the extreme physical advantages he has. Like come on guys, he doesn't even turn over his shots-- he slaps with all of his punches. This man had 50+ pounds on Usyk and Wilder. This is the first time he encountered an opponent with actual skill.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

I don't care what anybody says. Dubois stopped Usyk to the body.

Joshua is athletic, not fast. He's somewhat skilled, but he's a complete mental disaster that has zero heart and zero fighting instinct. Dubois is fast and athletic, but skill wise doesn't have much to offer outside of closing his eyes and winging power shots.

I wouldn't consider any of the fighters he faced at cruiserweight to be on the level of say a James Toney or Evander Holyfield. So when you say most stacked cruiserweight division, what do you mean exactly? Another thing to consider is that cruiserweight has never really been known for its high level of competition. So the accomplishments and belts are nice and all. But I look more at the wins themselves.
Don't get me wrong, Usyk is a great fighter. But it's a bit exaggerated right now. He never wins decisively. And he always looks vulnerable.

That's got to be one of the sassiest responses I've ever read on this site. You forgot the nail polish emoji and the z-snap.

Jokes aside, I don't want to hear it-- Fury went life and death with Wilder. You all criticized Wilder's skills and his level of competition to death for being a trash tier. I agree with that, but we can't have it both ways.

It's always looked incredibly clunky, clumsy and uncoordinated to me. For some reason, people attribute abusing reach, pot shotting and showboating with actual boxing skill. Fury's technique is horrible. He only gets away with it due to the extreme physical advantages he has. This man had 50+ pounds on Usyk and Wilder. This is the first time he encountered an opponent with actual skill.

You do realize that when Holyfield became undisputed at cruiserweight the division was in its infancy. Right? If you need proof that cruiserweight had talent then it isn't hard to demonstrate. Sure, cruiser has been historically weak but what does that have to do with the talent pool that Usyk beat? It was the only division that the World Boxing Super Series ran for 2 seasons. If the talent wasn't there then this wouldn't have happened.

Usyk was stopped to the body (low blow) against Dubois and never wins decisively? Ok, dude.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

@Superzorro

Usyk beat some great fighters at cruiser. Huck is tied with Nelson for having the most title defenses in the division's history. Gassiev was a dangerous unified champ. Briedis, who won the second World Boxing Super Series tournament, became the next cruiserweight king after Usyk left. Look at Usyk's cruiserweight resume alone. Four or 5 of his notable wins there were against fighters that were undefeated. You know how many of Holyfield's top cruiserweight wins were against undefeated fighters? None.

 

[Superzorro]

You do realize that when Holyfield became undisputed at cruiserweight the division was in its infancy. Right? If you need proof that cruiserweight had talent then it isn't hard to demonstrate. Sure, cruiser has been historically weak but what does that have to do with the talent pool that Usyk beat? It was the only division that the World Boxing Super Series ran for 2 seasons. If the talent wasn't there then this wouldn't have happened.

Usyk was stopped to the body (low blow) against Dubois and never wins decisively? Ok, dude.

It doesn't matter. Holyfield is far and away a better fighter than Usyk. And that's my point.

So by that logic, Cruiser, Super Middle, Super Light and Bantam were the best weight divisions in the mid 2010s? Because those were the only divisions that had Boxing World Super Series at the time. That logic doesn't hold up. There have been better divisions throughout history, where the "talent was there," that never had this tournament.

Yeah, I've been saying that he covers half of his body with his trunks for the longest. He doesn't wear his pants outside the ring that high. There's no way he has a lower body that long. And then the shot itself landed on the beltline, not below.

@Superzorro

Usyk beat some great fighters at cruiser. Huck is tied with Nelson for having the most title defenses in the division's history. Gassiev was a dangerous unified champ. Briedis, who won the second World Boxing Super Series tournament, became the next cruiserweight king after Usyk left. Look at Usyk's cruiserweight resume alone. Four or 5 of his notable wins there were against fighters that were undefeated. You know how many of Holyfield's top cruiserweight wins were against undefeated fighters? None.

Yeah, that's great and all. But I'm not talking about what the fighters have accomplished. I'm talking about how good the fighters are themselves. Saying he beat the best cruiserweight division ever isn't saying much, when it hasn't been that great of a division to begin with.

 

[PUO3]

It doesn't matter. Holyfield is far and away a better fighter than Usyk. And that's my point.

Your point is shit.

 

[Croaker]

Cant decide if the Korean kid vs RJJ or this fight was a worse decision

smdh