RBR ***Official*** Sherdog Sanctioned Usyk vs. Dubois 2 7/19 12:30PM ET (DAZN)

[PUO3]

I was one of those geniuses, not my finest prediction.

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We forgive you and we welcome you into the light.

 

[SalvadorAllende]

A beautiful display of art from usyk, what a nasty dude ! GREAT one !


@SalvadorAllende That's how it would end for you if we ever fight.

Thanks for spoiling me the result you bum. I will one punch you when you dare to travel to my land.

Also Usyk is so fucking amazing.

 

[4daLuLZ]

Well its about time someone puts jake paul in his place.

I’d prefer him vs Joshua and Joshua sending Paul straight to the moon.

 

[randomg1t]

I was one of those geniuses, not my finest prediction.

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honestly, it was impossible to tell how he'd do. the top dogs at the time were AJ, fury, and wilder, all of them looking far bigger physically than usyk. i think we all knew he'd be the superior boxer, but no one could really know how he'd handle their size and power.

 

[treelo]

looking back on this, Usyk absolutely dominated him

i cant help but think that Dubois has some mental issues, i know he came through a tough fight against Hrgovic but he that first knockdown seemed soft to me, Usyk isnt a big hitter at the weight and has knocked him down 4 times now(it may be 5)

Funny that "china chinned" Joshua managed to stand up to Usyks best shots for 24 rounds without going down, yet "tough" "stubborn" Dubois has been down multiple times now against various opponents

 

[Badr Hari]

looking back on this, Usyk absolutely dominated him

i cant help but think that Dubois has some mental issues, i know he came through a tough fight against Hrgovic but he that first knockdown seemed soft to me, Usyk isnt a big hitter at the weight and has knocked him down 4 times now(it may be 5)

Funny that "china chinned" Joshua managed to stand up to Usyks best shots for 24 rounds without going down, yet "tough" "stubborn" Dubois has been down multiple times now against various opponents

As far as china chinned vs stubborn there's a direct fight that happened between Dubois and Joshua and we saw who is who. End of story.

As far as Usyk confrontations are considered, Dubois is the only guy after Chisora to actually go after Usyk and ask for open exchanges. Both Joshua and Fury (especially in their rematches) have taken a far more conservative approach rather than chase him and pin him down.

Usyk coming in heavier than ever and sitting down on his punches more than ever before might have something to do with it too. Usyk looks more sloppy than when he fought Briedis in Latvia but all of a sudden at 38 has a punch that rocks every heavyweight he touches. (Fury was one punch away from being sent to another dimension when the ref started counting him)

 

[treelo]

As far as china chinned vs stubborn there's a direct fight that happened between Dubois and Joshua and we saw who is who. End of story.

I don't know what relevance that has on what i said in the slightest

Usyk has fought Joshua for 24 rounds and wobbled him maybe twice, he has fought Dubois for 14 and had him down 4 times, twice so he couldnt beat the count

I think you are misreading my post or something, i'm not saying Joshua is better, i just think saying he has a dodgy chin, yet saying Dubois(which you havent, but i havent heard anyone mention it) has a good chin and Joshua cant take a shot is mental

Dubois either has serious mental issues when he cant figure someone out, or has a suspect chin, i imagine it is the first, some of the shots he has gone down from havent been full blooded shots at all, its almost like he needs a break from being hit

 

[PUO3]

I don't know what relevance that has on what i said in the slightest

Usyk has fought Joshua for 24 rounds and wobbled him maybe twice, he has fought Dubois for 14 and had him down 4 times, twice so he couldnt beat the count

I think you are misreading my post or something, i'm not saying Joshua is better, i just think saying he has a dodgy chin, yet saying Dubois(which you havent, but i havent heard anyone mention it) has a good chin and Joshua cant take a shot is mental

Dubois either has serious mental issues when he cant figure someone out, or has a suspect chin, i imagine it is the first, some of the shots he has gone down from havent been full blooded shots at all, its almost like he needs a break from being hit

I think AJ is just better at not getting hit with punches he didnt see coming. Usyk had Dubois in a blender and smashed him when he wasnt expecting it.

 

[defjaam]

There are probably several factors, but to me it seems that Dubois loses it and collapses mentally when he's being outboxed. With AJ, I don't think he ever noticed that he was being outboxed in both fights. Remember his stand-up comedy in the ring right after the rematch lol

However, at this point both men have in common that only a football helmet can help them regain the heavyweight championship.

 

[treelo]

There are probably several factors, but to me it seems that Dubois loses it and collapses mentally when he's being outboxed. With AJ, I don't think he ever noticed that he was being outboxed in both fights. Remember his stand-up comedy in the ring right after the rematch lol

However, at this point both men have in common that only a football helmet can help them regain the heavyweight championship.

i love this take, Joshua is too stupid to notice he cant win, but plods on anyway, there may be some truth in that TBH

i didnt like the head nod from Dubois at around 8 seconds, as if he admitted he wasnt going to win and gave up, he has done this in all 3 of his losses

 

[defjaam]

i love this take, Joshua is too stupid to notice he cant win, but plods on anyway, there may be some truth in that TBH

i didnt like the head nod from Dubois at around 8 seconds, as if he admitted he wasnt going to win and gave up, he has done this in all 3 of his losses

AJ said it himself. Rob McCracken kept telling him during the fight that he's doing good and AJ totally believed he won the fight when round 12 ended.
When the judges decision was announced after the rematch, he was absolutely surprised once again (including the just mentioned stand-up comedy).

Guy has no feel whatsoever where he's at during fights. Probably the reason Dubois knocked him out in less than 15 minutes.

 

[treelo]

I think AJ is just better at not getting hit with punches he didnt see coming. Usyk had Dubois in a blender and smashed him when he wasnt expecting it.

ooo, his fights against Ruiz and then Dubois suggests that isn't the case

that giant right hand from Dubois in the first fight came with a postcard, but anyway, its going off topic, Dubois looks like a bit of a quitter now

 

[PUO3]

ooo, his fights against Ruiz and then Dubois suggests that isn't the case

that giant right hand from Dubois in the first fight came with a postcard, but anyway, its going off topic, Dubois looks like a bit of a quitter now

Ya you could watch him breaking inside. Demoralizing to get smashed at every turn and have nothing to answer with.

 

[Badr Hari]

I don't know what relevance that has on what i said in the slightest

Usyk has fought Joshua for 24 rounds and wobbled him maybe twice, he has fought Dubois for 14 and had him down 4 times, twice so he couldnt beat the count

I think you are misreading my post or something, i'm not saying Joshua is better, i just think saying he has a dodgy chin, yet saying Dubois(which you havent, but i havent heard anyone mention it) has a good chin and Joshua cant take a shot is mental

Dubois either has serious mental issues when he cant figure someone out, or has a suspect chin, i imagine it is the first, some of the shots he has gone down from havent been full blooded shots at all, its almost like he needs a break from being hit

No no it is relevant for me because i learnt something about their character as fighters from their direct fight and i'll always mention it when those two names are discussed.

As far as chin, could be more mental than physical for both boxers. I mean Hrgovic hit Dubois with a thousand straight rights flush and he kept coming believing it's his night. Against Usyk even the weigh in and pre fight staredowns were suspect, Dubois was afraid to make eye contact for more than 2 seconds. Lack of confidence seems to kill durability. As for qutting last night it's not like anyone would have let him continue aftet the second knockdown, that left hand would have KO'd anyone (and he was getting clipped with similar shots each minute of the fight so it's the accumulation effect as well). Fight in Poland seemed like quitting but then again he did take even more punishment back then in accumulation. Joshua on the other hand isn't a more heroic warrior either, kind of quit against Ruiz fully conscious. And he knows the art of boxing and has been an outstanding amateur, I disagree with above posters about him not knowing he is losing the fights. Joshua is intelligent and he is on purpose being gun shy for the majority of the 24 rounds and playing the act of stand up comedy at the end as an emergency exit not as an act of frustration.

To sum it up, I think both Dubois and Joshua despite being physical freaks of nature, don't like taking a beating for the sake of taking it. Wladimir Klitschko was something like that. Some guys are just not the dog a Chisora or a Subriel Matias is.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Dubois does go down too easily sometimes. It is mental. The first shot Usyk landed that dropped him didn't seem that hard. However, it was placed well and landed on the ear (or slightly behind). That will take your equilibrium. When Dubois got up his mouthpiece was loose. The second time Dubois went down his head snapped back and his mouthpiece was sent flying out. That last big left hand Usyk landed was placed perfectly on the chin. Dubois could've beaten the count but he already looked unsteady. His legs were gone most likely.

 

[Tatra]

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Dubois' trainer Don Charles actually threw in the towel. It doesn't look like Dubois saw it though at the time.

 

[treelo]

Dubois' trainer Don Charles actually threw in the towel. It doesn't look like Dubois saw it though at the time.

threw in the towel when he knew his man had quit to try and save some face IMO

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

threw in the towel when he knew his man had quit to try and save some face IMO

That's exactly right

 

[cuban23]

looking back on this, Usyk absolutely dominated him

i cant help but think that Dubois has some mental issues, i know he came through a tough fight against Hrgovic but he that first knockdown seemed soft to me, Usyk isnt a big hitter at the weight and has knocked him down 4 times now(it may be 5)

Funny that "china chinned" Joshua managed to stand up to Usyks best shots for 24 rounds without going down, yet "tough" "stubborn" Dubois has been down multiple times now against various opponents

AJ's been a bit of a "bottler" as the Brits call it. He's a better boxer than Dubois and Ruiz, yet still found a way to lose to both of them. He's got the physical talent to be a force at HW, mentally and emotionally he's lacking.