RBR ***Official*** Sherdog Sanctioned Fury vs Ngannou Discussion PPV 10/28, 2PM EST

[Poatan Power]

This is so delicious. All of you absolute dorks thinking I'm mad because I'm anti-Francis.

1. Francis lost.
2. It wasn't a real fight.
3. I'm not a boxing purist who gives a shit if Tyson looked good or bad against Francis. I love MMA way more than boxing, and grappling way more than any of them.
4. This is the only outcome (controversial draw or L for Francis) that leaves the door open for a rematch or a boxing match with another prominent boxer.
5. None of this matters to Fury. He's already the best/champ. As long as there's a W next to his name, he can either rematch or move on and his earning potential changes minimally. He just made what, several dozen million dollars to spar someone?

They just each made eight figures for a sparring match they could have done in a gym for free. Congratulations, you played yourselves.

So now Fury is getting dropped, looking like shit in front of millions of people, and winning a decision by a point so he can help Francis promote his next fight with another Boxer?

No shit he will box again, I don’t know why you think that’s some big brain prediction lmao. If you were really that confident you wouldn’t have had to throw in “or another prominent Boxer” lol.

Yes there is a storyline, there are storylines in sports, that doesn’t mean the fight was a work hahaha.

lmao

Why would anyone fight Francis unless he won or had a controversial loss? Obviously he isn't going to beat Fury, that's a ridiculous proposition. So the only way this WWE match makes sense for both parties, unless Francis just wanted a big payday where he got embarrassed, is the way this happened.

You genuinely think the guy who barely beat 10 fight Gane really outboxed Tyson Fury?

 

[Err]

Usyk destroys this Fury. Fury looked like trash against Wallin too and came back to starch Wilder. Dudes unpredictable.

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

PFL going to have to give him more money. He hurt Tyson. Francis ate all his shots. Or people who want to see him in Wilder now.

If I were him I’d never step in an MMA cage again, he should take however many big money Boxing matches he can get and retire

 

[MMA4Life]

I reckon Fury took drugs/drank too much too recently, lost his strength, then was compromised by losing weight for this fight instead of training strength. This was a pretty bad version of Fury but it may not be the end for him just yet.

It's probably the first time that Fury has been the smaller man in terms of lean bodyweight. Ngannou has some serious physical advantages going on, he is enormous in mass and strength with great effect in the clinch: almost the Brock Lesnar of boxing. I think he will do well against any boxer if he keeps up his training, only obviously losing against Usyk.

If Fury gets on the weights, get his strength back, we could see one last good run from Fury before the retirement. With the right preparation he should be favourite vs Usyk still, but tonight's Fury not so much.

I think he got caught and early Francis was working the body. Francis is that guy he lost but he won in life boxing was what he always wanted to do.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Fury is now the lineal HW champ of boxing and MMA

<Lmaoo>

 

[Kowboy On Sherdog]

FYI- This fight was official. It was sanctioned last night.

 

[ImNotMirsadBektic]

so, all and all, does an mma fighter debuting in pro boxing losing an extremely controversial decision vs an all time great and reigning HW champion make up for all the mma guys who lost to Jake Paul??

Yes, HW matters the most and Francis made it pretty competitive lol. In MMA Francis would Donkey Kong slam his ass on the ground within 30 secs or hurt him with kicks in the stand up to open up opportunities for punches. This fight raised MMA's stock significantly, which I didn't expect initially. Also the fighters that fought the influencers were wrestlers except Andy who was 50 and honestly still outboxed a 20 something guy with half a decade of world class boxing (Andy also beat Chavez Jr). Only Conor and Francis were striking based MMA fighters and both did alright (Francis even much better though).

 

[GiganticMeat]

Does anyone remember what the line was on decision for Fury? Kinda thought that was a good pick, Fury by ko was crazy at -500 but decision was high

 

[don't ask]

You dont know what you're talking about. Great fighters go for it in the final rounds when they think a fight is close. They don't coast in hopes the judges will take pity on them

Every great fighter has a moment where they need to worry about points. This time, two fighters who were both in a new situation decided to play it safe. I'm sorry you're a fifty year fan of the sport and are only discovering this now, but it sounds like forty of those years were spent huffing paint.

 

[maximus__]

I am a huge boxing fan, and I would have LOVED to have seen Francis knock Fury the fuck out. As it is he came very close to winning a decision, which I could honestly see going either way.
I COULD see them giving the W to Francis, but it wasn't clear cut either way IMO.

Fury OFTEN clinches and it's one of the reasons I don't particularly care for the fighter. This wasn't a strategy he adopted for Francis, it's his routine fuckery.

Fury SHOULD have stayed at distance and jabbed him to death, IMO he fought rather foolishly, and he looked more like he was camping for 12 weeks rather than being in training camp.

I wonder if Fury looked like he had phoned the fight in because Francis was tagging him pretty well from round 2 onwards and cleanly dropped him?

He couldn't stay at range and jab Francis because Francis was starting to time him and had a power advantage.

Don't get me wrong. I am not saying Francis is the goat boxer or anything, but he won that fight.
That was a robbery. They made MMA judges look competent especially that 97-93 scorecard from one judge.

 

[Poatan Power]

Well, if you don't care who did it and who benefits, then you're ignoring the context, which is everything.

You just need to take the tin-foil hat off for a bit, brother.

Tin foil hat. Lol.

You completely misunderstood my post. I was replying to the context of multiple people repyling to me:

"The Saudi's would never be involved in a fixed fight!!'|"

I reply that Saudi's are rich off an industry that fixes oil prices for the entire world, kill anti-Saudi journalists on government property with goon squads and cover it up with paid actors and are the global oil mafia, so obviously they aren't above fixing a boxing exhibition match.

"The Saudi's aren't even profiting off of this! They just pay for entertainment! Like a cockfight!"

Yeah no shit, so it's WWE for them. They don't care. Francis/Fury are the ones profiteering here.

"What! They don't need to fix a fight!"

Okay, I don't care who's profiting, here's why I think this is a paid exhibition match with a predetermined outcome...

You know how you have a predetermined outcome? One guy is so significantly skilled better than the other, he just has to dance around and let the other guy work because there's 0 chance of him actually losing. In sparring we call that "letting the other guy work." Put yourself in bad spots and let them have at it but never let them have the actual W. That is obviously what was happening in that ring.

I wish Francis had knocked him out cold. But guess what? He couldn't because it was WWE and setting up future paydays without jeopardizing Fury's future paydays.

 

[senri]

The ebony flesh was spectacularly tight this evening. Witness all of the flavours deep inside of our orifices...

 

[Badr Hari]

A thing not mentioned is the extra time the ref gave Fury to recover from the knock down. (Which btw wasn't even from a clean punch landed on the chin, it was a francis left hook landing on the side of the head dropping a fury that always has problems with balance)

 

[Via Heeto]

i obviously can't say much before the fight as to respect the privacy of these guys, but Carlos Takam beat the shit out of Francis in their sparring the entire camp. That makes this result even more surprising. or questionable depending on your thought process

 

[MMA4Life]

If I were him I’d never step in an MMA cage again, he should take however many big money Boxing matches he can get and retire

I agree I think the PFL will throw stupid money to fight a shitty Hw. In a real fight who wins that Francis follow up shots on the champ sheesh. His stock rises if I’m him I take the biggest bag he clearly is a quick learner his defensive ability was there.

MMA and Francis took a W regardless of the scorecards.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Yes Francis takes him down in und and a minute and changes his face or just lands on him Tyson uses the gloves which he should. Who cares I’m in a great mood that fight over performed

Yeah, I think boxers have a higher chance of winning in MMA, because they have a set of weapon that works really well in MMA. But they'd mostly lose miserably in a top guy vs top guy type of situation. Nothing really ground breaking in that opinion. Boxing rules favor guys good at boxing while MMA rules favors guys with more generalized training.

 

[don't ask]

Hopefully it stimulates him to do better. Surely he'd be better without 20lbs of fat around the waist. Better movement, less effort, thus better gas tank, more speed, agility and dexterity.
Dude was supposed to outlast Ngannou 20x, but was exhausted there. When he tried to clinch and bully, he failed miserably.

I think he was expecting to really have an impact on Francis in the clinches, but he got fucking embarrassed several times. Thrown across the ring, pushed to the ground, lifted... I really think he expected boxing clinching to have an effect on an MMA champion. I actually think he had a few rude awakenings tonight.

 

[The Adder]

I am not the one thinking Fury won a fight he was outstruck in, dropped in and falling all over the place in.

I bet on Fury and won money. Francis just won that fight.

You are the one who thinks ngannou won the fight. When he didn't.

 

[bangalangin]

Oh really ? I never would have guessed that boxing is scored round by round.

What criteria was Fury supposedly winning?

Hard and Clean Punches – To the untrained eye, it can appear as if a boxer is landing a lot of shots, when, in fact, most are being blocked or aren’t landing flush. A judge needs to look for hard shots that land clean.

Clean punching is in 99% of cases the only necessary metric you need to watch for, the rest is just for deciding a razor thin close round.

Fury is very good at not getting hit clean.

 

[Badr Hari]

Fury shouldn't be undefeated btw. John McDermot beat him in 2009 and Wilder has a case for round 12 KO in their first fight. Boxing is corrupt from the core and builds fake heros. While Fury was fighting Pianeta, Seferi, Wallin, Schwarz of all people, Whyte and fooking del boy Chisora, Ngannou has only fought the best of the best in the UFC. ufc always has real proven champs, in boxing often times the best man in the weight class isn't the title holder, because holding the title is about politics.