Elections Official Sherdawg Presidential debate round 1 PbP

[cottagecheesefan]

The level of delusion and denial required to attempt to paint Joe in a good light after Thursday, is truly a marvel to behold.

And to what end? Do they want to lose in November? How anyone could be confident in that man's ability to still win in November, is a complete mystery. He showed his ass to the world that night(including America's enemies BTW), you've got most Democrats calling for him to step down. You have a report stating that he's merely lucid for 5 or 6 hours of the fucking day, and now he has his crackhead son(the smartest man Joe knows) advising him, and certain very special people in here are sitting in a lake of fire saying "This is fine", LOL.

Oh', and he was sinking before that debate. Other than Biden shitting his pants on live TV, and looking at his wife and saying "I made a boom boom", you have to wonder what it would take to get them out of their trance.

Wow, a democrat now saying Trump will win and the media hysteria about it is ridiculous.

 

[Jack V Savage]

No if a situation like that arises and he shows up like the debate. He can't handle it and you have to be absolutely blind not to see it.

Your last sentence reveals why Biden is not qualified because I would hope that too. And that's the problem. He's not cognitively qualified to make those kinds of short-term quick decisions when the s*** hits the fan.

You guys are willing to roll the dice with the safety of the country and possibly the whole planet for partisan reasons to support a cognitively impaired man who really needs to be given a break and put out to pasture.

We need adults in the room but you guys are not adults.

Most people develop a theory of mind in toddlerhood. Dogs have it. You don't seem to. He's not cognitively impaired. Even if you buy GOP messaging on this completely, you can't understand the discussion if you don't realize that others don't.

 

[terrapin]

Most people develop a theory of mind in toddlerhood. Dogs have it. You don't seem to. He's not cognitively impaired. Even if you buy GOP messaging on this completely, you can't understand the discussion if you don't realize that others don't.

Well that's a nice paragraph but it amounts to nothing because everybody can see his cognitive decline as plain as day.

What we need are grown ups mature enough to make the hard decisions to keep the planet and the country safe. Joe Biden and his partisan supporters are not those people.

 

[king hippo]

I think that's the biggest takeaway from last night. You know you've spotted the partisan when they are proud of their guy's performance up there. Trump lied his ass off and hardly answered a single question put to him. Biden lacked the ability to counter any said lies and looked old as fuck while doing so.

All of us deserve better than this.

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i voted for this drooling vegetable and he's shit and trump was always infinitely better but fuck trump let's bring in another worthless democrat that's again worse than trump. i have learned nothing and the TDS must continue!

 

[HereticBD]

Wow, a democrat now saying Trump will win and the media hysteria about it is ridiculous.

That's another thing. They really don't understand messaging. They're not mad that he's okay with Trump. They're mad that he threw cold water on their fear mongering about "losing democracy". That one gets at their ego, because they think "Fight for Democracy!" is a winner of a campaign slogan, despite it making absolutely no difference, since nobody but the non-binary blue hair brigade even entertains such a silly notion.

They just say "democracy" like it's some magic fairy that Trump can just shoot dead once he's elected. If they lose in November, that slogan is gonna be a big part of the autopsy. It's designed to say everything, but really says nothing, and if anything, it's their actions making them the ones seem like a threat to it.

They are so painfully stupid.

 

[king hippo]

anybody hear from obama, bush, or clinton about the SCOTUS immunity decision? they must be appalled.

 

[mkess101]

Well that's a nice paragraph but it amounts to nothing because everybody can see his cognitive decline as plain as day.

What we need are grown ups mature enough to make the hard decisions to keep the planet and the country safe. Joe Biden and his partisan supporters are not those people.

No no no. You don't understand. Jack says Joe's not cognitively impaired and just assumes everyone else has to fall on line with his view and not believe their own eyes.

It's his go-to move in arguments.

"Well X is clearly true so you can't believe Y and be an honest person".

"No, X isn't clearly true."

"Of course it is. The only possible explanation of you not believing it is that you've bought a partisan narrative."

"No, it's because I believe my own eyes."

And then he'll derail the discussion through obfuscation and trying to frame it in a new way.

Here's a great example:

We say Joe is in clear mental decline, using our own visual evidence as the rationale. Jack says that cannot be true, look how great a job Joe has done! The only rational conclusion is that he'll continue to do a great job!

Putting aside whether Joe has in fact "done a great job" (because that's the point--it's not relevant to this discussion)--we are talking about his CURRENT mental acuity and capabilities. At Joe's age, those sometimes decline RAPIDLY.

The absolutely ridiculous argument Jack is attempting to make is akin to saying "Well of course GSP would go out and win the 185 lb title right now if he chose to. He retired as champ and an all time great! What evidence do you have that says he wouldn't??" When in reality, he's no question declined to where he wouldn't be able to do what he used to. His past accomplishments don't mean he's capable of the same today. He's older, slower, etc.

 

[king hippo]

If you can't conversate with me without insults, here's what you do.

Unless you see my avatar (it'll always be The Goon) and my text in a different color? Just like this?

Just keep scrolling.

I'm trying to be nice here.

 

[Islam Imamate]

The absolutely ridiculous argument Jack is attempting to make is akin to saying "Well of course GSP would go out and win the 185 lb title right now if he chose to. He retired as champ and an all time great! What evidence do you have that says he wouldn't??" When in reality, he's no question declined to where he wouldn't be able to do what he used to. His past accomplishments don't mean he's capable of the same today. He's older, slower, etc.

If we're going to stick with this analogy its probably fair to point out that Biden's term as president is recent and ongoing so it would be like saying GSP could defend the 185 lb around the time he won the belt. Reframed that way it doesn't sound crazy.

 

[AWilder]

If you have a point to make, then make it.

Do you not recall who overturned Roe v Wade? People who claimed it was settled law. People who lied.

 

[Gutter Chris]

Most people develop a theory of mind in toddlerhood. Dogs have it. You don't seem to. He's not cognitively impaired. Even if you buy GOP messaging on this completely, you can't understand the discussion if you don't realize that others don't.

Ya know , the problem with spending years convincing us of just how smart you are ... is that we know you aren't stupid and don't actually believe what you are saying about Joe bidens capabilities in the slightest.

You really want me to believe you watched that debate hit your pipe and said honey that Joe bidens still got it and he's smart as a whip and hasn't lost a step at all !


Who's arguing in bad faith now. Don't even try to bullshit me man I know you aren't as retarded as your argument needs you to pretend to be and it's not a good look on you.

 

[Rob Battisti]

He's not cognitively impaired.

Because you say so?

You’ve said “he’s old AF”. Okay. What happens when people age mentally?

 

[mkess101]

If we're going to stick with this analogy its probably fair to point out that Biden's term as president is recent and ongoing so it would be like saying GSP could defend the 185 lb around the time he won the belt. Reframed that way it doesn't sound crazy.

Right, that's why I said prior to the comparison that at Biden's age, people's mental acuity often declines rapidly.

Maybe a better analogy would be if we used your example but then all sorts of footage came out showing GSP getting manhandled by shit tier guys in grappling tourneys, looking lost and like a shell of himself in training vids, getting KO'd stiff sparring, etc. Because that's essentially what Biden's debate "performance" was. Visual evidence that whatever you may have thought of the guy even a year ago, he ain't that dude anymore.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Right, that's why I said prior to the comparison that at Biden's age, people's mental acuity often declines rapidly.

Maybe a better analogy would be if we used your example but then all sorts of footage came out showing GSP getting manhandled by shit tier guys in grappling tourneys, looking lost and like a shell of himself in training vids, getting KO'd stiff sparring, etc. Because that's essentially what Biden's debate "performance" was. Visual evidence that whatever you may have thought of the guy even a year ago, he ain't that dude anymore.

I don't really see it that way. He's never been a great public speaker and that's only gotten worse with age but to stick with our analogy I haven't seen anything indicating he looks like a shell of himself behind the scenes. If anything I think he's continued to govern well and to the extent I disagree with some of his decisions they seem to have obviously explanations other than mental decline.

 

[terrapin]

Right, that's why I said prior to the comparison that at Biden's age, people's mental acuity often declines rapidly.

Maybe a better analogy would be if we used your example but then all sorts of footage came out showing GSP getting manhandled by shit tier guys in grappling tourneys, looking lost and like a shell of himself in training vids, getting KO'd stiff sparring, etc. Because that's essentially what Biden's debate "performance" was. Visual evidence that whatever you may have thought of the guy even a year ago, he ain't that dude anymore.

Another great analogy would be that GSP does really well in light sparring and rolling but that he wouldn't at all be able to handle the intensity of a real fight.

Joe does really well so far managing the easy parts of the presidency that you can do from 10:00 to 4:00 and then be a vegetable afterwards, but that's not the only requirement for being a president. Our present needs to be able to get out of bed at 2:00 a.m. and handle massive emergencies some of which involve deciding whether or not to fire nuclear weapons.

Joe, Biden is not capable of that and as you said, sometimes the decline is so rapid that there's certainly no reasonable case to believe that he's good for another 4 years.

The notion that governing well in ordinary time translates to governing well, when God forbid some absolute tragedy, strikes is a ridiculous one.

They're all whistling in the dark to a man.

 

[terrapin]

This whistling in the dark isn't happening in a vacuum, though it's partially the Republican's fault for supporting such a train wreck, incompetent, dangerous person themselves and us being so scared of that.

But this is the decline of America that so many people are commenting about for sure on display right in front of us.

 

[Rob Battisti]

I don't really see it that way. He's never been a great public speaker and that's only gotten worse with age but to stick with our analogy I haven't seen anything indicating he looks like a shell of himself behind the scenes. If anything I think he's continued to govern well and to the extent I disagree with some of his decisions they seem to have obviously explanations other than mental decline.

I posted a video of him in 2012 and 2024. It doesn’t look like the same person. It’s not being a “bad debater”. It’s facetious to frame this as a “bad debate” performance. It’s his cognitive ability.

 

[terrapin]

Here is a comparison of Bidens earlier days to today. The decline is real on his best days.

 

[mkess101]

I don't really see it that way. He's never been a great public speaker and that's only gotten worse with age but to stick with our analogy I haven't seen anything indicating he looks like a shell of himself behind the scenes. If anything I think he's continued to govern well and to the extent I disagree with some of his decisions they seem to have obviously explanations other than mental decline.

Nobody looks like a shell of themselves "behind the scenes" because we don't see behind the scenes. There are reports out that he has to work MUCH shorter days due to not being able to have any sort of mental stamina.

And I'm sorry, buy the stuttering he's always had etc is a FAR cry (as in, light years away) from the staring off into space with his mouth agape and inability to finish sentences that we saw the other night.

Like...you realize this isn't stuff just being said by partisan right wingers who want him to lose, right? This is his OWN PEOPLE panicking because of the decline they see. It's plain as day and quite frankly bizarre that some of you guys are in denial about it.

I don't want Trump as president either but FFS Joe is GONE.

 

[CantCucktheTuck]