Judo Official Judo Thread

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

It is a good idea that won't work. They tense up because they are afraid of falling. This is natural, and they cannot do anything about that. Here are a few things that work:
- Explaining them how to land correctly and make their mind concentrate on that.
For example, I do tai-otoshi, but I do not actually throw them, but just turn and ask them to do the ukemi roll over my leg. Then we continue doing that increasing speed and amplitude.
Or we do osoto-gari, and I ask them to concentrate on slapping. We start slow and I increase the force and speed as it feels comfortable.
- Ask them to tense up from the beginning. Throwing someone who tensed up from the start is easier than someone who tenses up in the process. This might be difficult for beginners as you need to break their jigotai.
- Crash pads are great for adult beginners

Wait. I feel like we are splitting hairs, here.

If they are resisting these drills they are doing it wrong. If they can't get it right because they are afraid of falling it's because they simply are total noobs / suck at judo. I doubt that it is his job to teach them how to fall properly.

I suck at judo but I always try to be a good uke. A bad uke is a handicap for everyone, and a club full of bad ukes is a bad club.

Sorry for calling it how I see it but unless he is the one who is really bad at off-balancing and loading his parters' weight on him, how about he is in a bad club?

In any case something is wrong in this situation, LOL.

EDIT: I re-read the post as I had missed the part about "adult beginners who are scared to fall". Okay, well honestly, either avoid these partners (life is too short to teach basics to adult noobs if that is not your thing), or just be very patient and do the throws lightly, so that they are not scared of falling. Avoid throws that always sting a bit on the receiving end (tai otoshi / drop seoi nagi / ashi uchi mata).

 

[Daniel Fox]

Bro in Germany all clubs follow that shit.
You are not seeing ankle pick or kata guruma in any club in germany.

It's not just Germany, it is 99% of Judo clubs in the world. I come from a wrestling background, and when I do Randori I am watched like a hawk. If I started doing leg attacks I will be called on it for sure, if I continue to defy the rules I am sure I would be kicked out of the club. Judo is steeped in Japanese culture, and the Japanese are rule followers, even when they think the rule is stupid, they will follow them. If I was to quit my club, and go to another Judo club, I am 99% sure the same thing would happen. I have done BJJ, and starting from my knees is not my thing. To go to an established Judo club, or BJJ club, and to ignore their rules is not only unsportsmanlike it is arrogant, and wrong. Therefore the only hope is for the IJF to turn back the restrictions, which I doubt they will.

 

[RJ Green]

might not have been able to read my post from up there on your pedestal of virtue, but I said to find a club where youre not behoven to the whims of sports federation types

or just keep arguing with strangers on the internet about your hypothetical fears informed by broad generalizations. 99% sure that's super helpful.

 

[A Muse of Fire]

Yeah, my situation is not the best. It's kind of a small club so chances are I'm getting paired with somone that isn't comfortable falling.


I will probably just do less judo and a bit more bjj/ wrestling.

 

[Russky]

If they can't get it right because they are afraid of falling it's because they simply are total noobs / suck at judo. I doubt that it is his job to teach them how to fall properly.

I am older and trained more than others at my club. If I do not help noobs I wouldn't have anyone to train with. Unfortunately, there are not too many adults who want to throw each other for fun.

 

[Daniel Fox]

Yes, and my point is these clubs are far and few between. I have trained at 4 different clubs and they all conform to IJF rules.

By the way you have always been an arrogant, condescending prick, and I imagine you always will be.
@r j green

 

[RJ Green]

99% sure you're right!

 

[Bluesbreaker]

I think perhaps a word to the coach would be good, if you feel like your partners are hindering yours and each other's training. He could address the class and get everyone to just be looser when being thrown.

 

[JudokaUK]

There is a better video of Mifune doing randori, and throwing the gaijin with hiza guruma a couple times (think it was Charlie Palmer). Unfortunately the versions I could find on YouTube have shitty resolution. But when I saw Mifune do the throw it instantly clicked for me on how it works.

Interested to see links to videos of Mifune doing actual randori.

All I've ever seen are highly compliant, basically nagekomi, where everyone moves around with him then takes a fall/jumps whenever he tries anything.

Though to be fair what else would you expect if you were asked to practice on camera with a 10th dan in their 70s/80s and you're 30 odd it's not like you're going to go 100% is it.

Mifune may well have been a master for his time, but all the footage I've seen is just people respectfully moving around with an old man and then jumping/letting themselves be thrown when he tries anything.

That is to be expected though if you're a Japanese person in that cultural context of the 1950s/1960s and are being recorded for posterity with a 10th dan, I'd jump and let them do whatever they wanted too, even today as a Westerner.

 

[RJ Green]

The chosen one returns

 

[QingTian]

Interested to see links to videos of Mifune doing actual randori.

All I've ever seen are highly compliant, basically nagekomi, where everyone moves around with him then takes a fall/jumps whenever he tries anything.

Though to be fair what else would you expect if you were asked to practice on camera with a 10th dan in their 70s/80s and you're 30 odd it's not like you're going to go 100% is it.

Mifune may well have been a master for his time, but all the footage I've seen is just people respectfully moving around with an old man and then jumping/letting themselves be thrown when he tries anything.

That is to be expected though if you're a Japanese person in that cultural context of the 1950s/1960s and are being recorded for posterity with a 10th dan, I'd jump and let them do whatever they wanted too, even today as a Westerner.

Everyone in the film was compliant, except maybe the Westerner. There was a moment when he tried something and slipped that gave it away. I read that he even admitted to trying to really throw Mifune. Of course, that's still in terms of Japanese style gentleman's randori.

Nevertheless it was a good demonstration that led me to throw plenty of non-compliant partners with hiza guruma.

 

[Bluesbreaker]

@JudokaUK Do you know of some good clubs in Sheffield? I'm hoping to get a session in while on holiday.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

My experience in wrestling is very limited, but I'd like to do some more if I had the time.

The absence of the gi feels weird to me, while some judo habits may be detrimental within the rules - I imagine it works the other way too.

Having said that, experience exploding with your hips, pushing, pulling, twisting, etc will help you pick some things up easier.

I also imagine greco would be an easier transition, mostly because it seems to operate at more of a judo-type range.

Just my $0.02.

Well I tried out said wrestling club and although I somehow had the impression that they focus on greco, unfortunately they focus on freestyle.

I am afraid that freestyle simply is not a meaningful addition to my own "fighting system" which is Judo and Muay Thai.

I had forgotten how low freestylers fight and how that does not come naturally to me.

 

[JudokaUK]

@JudokaUK Do you know of some good clubs in Sheffield? I'm hoping to get a session in while on holiday.

You're going, on holiday, to Sheffield...?

What sin did you commit to deserve that fate?

I don't really know much about the scene in Sheffield, I have a vague memory that Steve Gawthorpe is based around that way though and he's pretty legendary in terms of Judo newaza, he once famously nearly killed a Serbian fighter at an international competion because the first time he choked him the guy tapped them claimed he didn't so he choked him out and held it for some absurd amount of time. They had to bring the fighter back out, after the doctor brought him round in the medical room, to prove to the crowd he wasn't dead and prevent a riot.

Using the BJA club finder, looks like there's a Sheffield Judo club, FB profile here and they have Steve in their profile photo, far right in the candy belt.

So that may be your best bet, but the only times I've ever done Judo in Sheffield is either for the Uni Nationals in the EIS centre or the Sheffield Uni Teams comp, so I can't give an endorsement of any particular club.

If you're in that part of the world and on holiday then you may be including a trip to the Lake District, if so one of the best clubs in England is there in Kendal.

The club there is massive, see the dojo here for reference

 

[Bluesbreaker]

You're going, on holiday, to Sheffield...?

What sin did you commit to deserve that fate?

I don't really know much about the scene in Sheffield, I have a vague memory that Steve Gawthorpe is based around that way though and he's pretty legendary in terms of Judo newaza, he once famously nearly killed a Serbian fighter at an international competion because the first time he choked him the guy tapped them claimed he didn't so he choked him out and held it for some absurd amount of time. They had to bring the fighter back out, after the doctor brought him round in the medical room, to prove to the crowd he wasn't dead and prevent a riot.

Using the BJA club finder, looks like there's a Sheffield Judo club, FB profile here and they have Steve in their profile photo, far right in the candy belt.

So that may be your best bet, but the only times I've ever done Judo in Sheffield is either for the Uni Nationals in the EIS centre or the Sheffield Uni Teams comp, so I can't give an endorsement of any particular club.

If you're in that part of the world and on holiday then you may be including a trip to the Lake District, if so one of the best clubs in England is there in Kendal.

The club there is massive, see the dojo here for reference

My wife's from up north, so we'll be around a few places, but mostly in Sheffield.

Cheers for the reply. I told my coach and apparently Gawthorpe was his main training partner back in the day. So it looks like if I can make it work and Steve will be around, I'll pop in there.

The club in Kendal looks great, though I don't think I'll be particular close at any time. Gotta do honeymoon stuff too!

 

[A Muse of Fire]

I went to judo practice yesterday and it went fairly well. We are finally using crash pads a little bit.

Ironically I tend to get better training partners in the throwing portion of bjj class because that one is bigger and has more young guys.

 

[JudokaUK]

My wife's from up north, so we'll be around a few places, but mostly in Sheffield.

Northern girls are great, in my experience

Cheers for the reply. I told my coach and apparently Gawthorpe was his main training partner back in the day. So it looks like if I can make it work and Steve will be around, I'll pop in there.

No worries, if your coach trained with Steve he must be pretty experienced. The story about the Serbian guy I first read in the Kashiwazaki Shimewaza masterclass book, so that gives you an idea of how high an esteem he was held in

The club in Kendal looks great, though I don't think I'll be particular close at any time. Gotta do honeymoon stuff too!

Even if you don't get a chance to train there it's definitely worth thinking about popping to the Lake District if you're nearby, one of the most beautiful parts of the world. Loads of good romantic locations you can go for a walk in and then tuck yourself away in a nice pub for a decent meal afterwards, and I say that as a Southener/London dweller.

 

[Problem Child]

It's not just Germany, it is 99% of Judo clubs in the world. I come from a wrestling background, and when I do Randori I am watched like a hawk. If I started doing leg attacks I will be called on it for sure, if I continue to defy the rules I am sure I would be kicked out of the club. Judo is steeped in Japanese culture, and the Japanese are rule followers, even when they think the rule is stupid, they will follow them. If I was to quit my club, and go to another Judo club, I am 99% sure the same thing would happen. I have done BJJ, and starting from my knees is not my thing. To go to an established Judo club, or BJJ club, and to ignore their rules is not only unsportsmanlike it is arrogant, and wrong. Therefore the only hope is for the IJF to turn back the restrictions, which I doubt they will.

Glad I go to a classic rules judo club. You can do Morote Gari etc in randori.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

I'm going to post this here so as not to offend the bjj fanboys but why does the word "meta" appear in every fucking thread now? It's so annoying.

5 years ago nobody ever employed that pompuous shit but now everybody talks about the "new metagame".

As if playing grab-ass on the floor is some Matrix super complex arms race or something.

 

[RJ Green]

cool story bro.