Official Judo Thread VIII

Random tip -

Don't cut your finger nails short as possible before class. Not sure how many more times I need to do this before I learn my lesson.

Yeah I was dripping blood out of my finger tips the other day onto the mat and it didn't heal until I didn't train for a couple of days.
 
My love life is like a failed Uchi mata over and over again and then getting drop seoi nages and kata gurumas on the side.

Best analogy for my love life I've ever done.
 
a man can osotogari your body, but a woman can osotogari your soul
 
I was at a Neil Adams seminar recently and he reckons the new rules are here to stay.

No more leg grabs he thinks and he's happy about it. I didn't get a chance to ask him about the repercussions regarding it's usefulness for MMA etc but I got a nice pic.
 
Not Neil Adams but someone important told me and like 20 other people a few months ago he thinks they're around for at least the decade, but not forever? Like, basically once a few of the older Japanese guys die off things will change?
 
Not Neil Adams but someone important told me and like 20 other people a few months ago he thinks they're around for at least the decade, but not forever? Like, basically once a few of the older Japanese guys die off things will change?

I'd hope that's true but whether it will come to fruition is another matter. I'll be be over thirty by then anyway and I imagine I'll be slowing down on competing.
 
i just can't afford it. it's a weekend i have to pay for AND a weekend without income.

okay that's a lie. i could afford it if i gave a shit. i just don't.

maybe it's because i don't want to spend all that time and energy and money on a hansokumake? meh.

I'd hope that's true but whether it will come to fruition is another matter. I'll be be over thirty by then anyway and I imagine I'll be slowing down on competing.
 
I was at a Neil Adams seminar recently and he reckons the new rules are here to stay.

No more leg grabs he thinks and he's happy about it. I didn't get a chance to ask him about the repercussions regarding it's usefulness for MMA etc but I got a nice pic.

Not Neil Adams but someone important told me and like 20 other people a few months ago he thinks they're around for at least the decade, but not forever? Like, basically once a few of the older Japanese guys die off things will change?

It doesn't bother me much anymore, I can't shoot for legs against other skilled grip fighters. I'm glad I can keep my wrestling sharp when I cross train in catch.
 
That pretty much epitomizes my love life.

Mine's more like my current game: I can't decide which throw I want to make mine, so I just try them all one at a time, eventually hoping one will stick.
 
i just can't afford it. it's a weekend i have to pay for AND a weekend without income.

okay that's a lie. i could afford it if i gave a shit. i just don't.

maybe it's because i don't want to spend all that time and energy and money on a hansokumake? meh.

Well if you decide to go to japan then just make the most of it ha.

I'll try and meet you and Onq depending on my exams.
 
That's why I'm shooting for 2016. That's PLENTY of time to prepare funds, room and board, learn some Japanese, etc...
 
What do you think about judo masterclass books? I will probably buy two, but would like to know if they are worth it.
 
What do you think about judo masterclass books? I will probably buy two, but would like to know if they are worth it.

Some are invaluable resources, others not so much. Catalog at best.

Which are you interested in?
 
It doesn't bother me much anymore, I can't shoot for legs against other skilled grip fighters. I'm glad I can keep my wrestling sharp when I cross train in catch.

I don't miss shooting (hard to score that way in Judo anyway), but I do miss pickups. Te guruma either as a direct attack or a counter was a favorite. I think its illegality also makes hip throws too risk free; you can spam uchi mata all day and never worry about being picked up, that used to be a very real and dangerous risk if you didn't get good kuzushi. Much like how the ability to stall in turtle makes drop seio nage basically risk free.

To be honest, I find I like wrestling and BJJ TD scoring rules better. Regardless of who initiates, whoever ends up on top gets the points. Few things in combat sports seem sillier to me than rolled through throws where the thrower ends up on bottom and both guys stop fighting to look at the ref to see if ippon was scored. Most of the throws I love in pure Judo I don't use in BJJ and MMA just because of the high risk of giving up your back if you fail.

If you happened to watch the (boring) Bader-Davis fight, this exact thing happened to Bader when he attempted a harai type throw, missed it, and gave up his back. Davis was on top the rest of the round. When I MMA spar good Judo guys who rely on seio nage and uchi mata, I don't really fight the throws so much as control the finish to end up on top. It's a little sad how well that works. If those guys had had to worry about getting picked up or choked out their whole Judo careers, they'd probably be a lot less likely to attempt forward throws without proper positioning and kuzushi.
 
I don't miss shooting (hard to score that way in Judo anyway), but I do miss pickups. Te guruma either as a direct attack or a counter was a favorite. I think its illegality also makes hip throws too risk free; you can spam uchi mata all day and never worry about being picked up, that used to be a very real and dangerous risk if you didn't get good kuzushi. Much like how the ability to stall in turtle makes drop seio nage basically risk free.

To be honest, I find I like wrestling and BJJ TD scoring rules better. Regardless of who initiates, whoever ends up on top gets the points. Few things in combat sports seem sillier to me than rolled through throws where the thrower ends up on bottom and both guys stop fighting to look at the ref to see if ippon was scored. Most of the throws I love in pure Judo I don't use in BJJ and MMA just because of the high risk of giving up your back if you fail.

If you happened to watch the (boring) Bader-Davis fight, this exact thing happened to Bader when he attempted a harai type throw, missed it, and gave up his back. Davis was on top the rest of the round. When I MMA spar good Judo guys who rely on seio nage and uchi mata, I don't really fight the throws so much as control the finish to end up on top. It's a little sad how well that works. If those guys had had to worry about getting picked up or choked out their whole Judo careers, they'd probably be a lot less likely to attempt forward throws without proper positioning and kuzushi.


Agree! I miss being able to counter throw with pick ups. Uchimata from taller guys are coming in without risk of me grabbing on to a leg.

I generally use wrestling in nogi but use my Judo in the clinch but I don't roll through or force the throw to happen like I would in Judo for the problem you mentioned.
 
Agree! I miss being able to counter throw with pick ups. Uchimata from taller guys are coming in without risk of me grabbing on to a leg.

I generally use wrestling in nogi but use my Judo in the clinch but I don't roll through or force the throw to happen like I would in Judo for the problem you mentioned.

You lose a lot of the forward throws without the gi (or at least they become a lot riskier and harder to pull off), but you gain some too. For example, I rarely throw people with sasae in the gi but I hit it constantly in no-gi and MMA. MMA, it's basically osoto, ouchi, kouchi, and sasae for me. Occasionally an uchi mata, mostly as a counter to sloppy outside trip attempts.
 
You lose a lot of the forward throws without the gi (or at least they become a lot riskier and harder to pull off), but you gain some too. For example, I rarely throw people with sasae in the gi but I hit it constantly in no-gi and MMA. MMA, it's basically osoto, ouchi, kouchi, and sasae for me. Occasionally an uchi mata, mostly as a counter to sloppy outside trip attempts.

Besides arm spins, duck unders and singles, I've always been good with headlock throws. Then again, it was always my specialty even when I wrestled competitively.

What I gained from Judo, and incorporated into my wrestling is the clinch work and reaping throws.
 
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