Official Judo Thread VIII

[Thai Otoshi]

 

[Thai Otoshi]

It's more likely to lead to a clean throw. What usually happens in randori is that you aim for the far leg but you just end up coming up the middle and lifting more with the hip and the leg contact just serves to help rotate uke. If you can make contact with the far leg and get a good lift, both uke's feet are going to be off the ground and he really has no defense. It's the cleanest ippon you can get.

Hmm... I'll try it.

Push come to shove, if I fail with the uchi mata, they'll be ripe for a tai otoshi followup.

 

[Uchi Mata]

I wild guess here- you have absolutely no experience, training with national teams in the following sports: judo, wrestling, sambo. And you have no idea about the specifics in their SnC preparation, am I right?

I will defend him a little. I have some experience with the US national Judo team, and their weightlifting while focusing on sport specific strength doesn't try to mimic Judo patterns of movement. For conditioning yes (pulling tubes, etc), but not in the weight room. They're mostly doing the big lifts and olympic lifts with a focus on explosive strength.

 

[Ivaylo Ivanov]

I will defend him a little. I have some experience with the US national Judo team, and their weightlifting while focusing on sport specific strength doesn't try to mimic Judo patterns of movement. For conditioning yes (pulling tubes, etc), but not in the weight room. They're mostly doing the big lifts and olympic lifts with a focus on explosive strength.

So, there is nothing like specific interval lifting, various angles disc swings, weighted neck lifts, DB pummeling, weighted rope climbing, weighted gi pull ups, medicine ball work outs, hammer throws and etc? You want to tell me the US judo team just does powerlifting and Oly lifts?

 

[Uchi Mata]

So, there is nothing like specific interval lifting, various angles disc swings, weighted neck lifts, DB pummeling, weighted rope climbing, weighted gi pull ups, medicine ball work outs, hammer throws and etc? You want to tell me the US judo team just does powerlifting and Oly lifts?

I can't speak to all those specifically, but most of their training that I've spoken to them about surrounds lifting in the gym. I'll point you to an article about Travis Stevens' training (he's our top male Judoka if you aren't familiar with him):

Travis Stevens Workout

He's not super specific, but the only Judo specific exercises he mentions are like one legged squats.

I'll almost guarantee you US Judoka aren't doing hammer throws.

 

[Ivaylo Ivanov]

I can't speak to all those specifically, but most of their training that I've spoken to them about surrounds lifting in the gym. I'll point you to an article about Travis Stevens' training (he's our top male Judoka if you aren't familiar with him):

Travis Stevens Workout

He's not super specific, but the only Judo specific exercises he mentions are like one legged squats.

I'll almost guarantee you US Judoka aren't doing hammer throws.

Quoting:
"Stevens broke down his top three necessary judo skills

 

[magick]

Do those actually help though, or is he better off just drilling more often?

 

[Ivaylo Ivanov]

Do those actually help though, or is he better off just drilling more often?

Bulgaria is predominantly a wrestling country. When we do judo, its more of a wrestling with jacket.
Same in East Europe, Russia, Mongolia and the Stans.
The japanese call it Power Judo and thats the modern judo.
Whats common in all of the above mentioned countries?

 

[Ethan]

So, there is nothing like specific interval lifting, various angles disc swings, weighted neck lifts, DB pummeling, weighted rope climbing, weighted gi pull ups, medicine ball work outs, hammer throws and etc? You want to tell me the US judo team just does powerlifting and Oly lifts?

I was kind of thinking you were suggesting goofy functional training shit. All of what you have listed is more along the lines of traditional strength and conditioning.

I still maintain that increasing limit strength is better for an individual without a good strength base than developing any other qualities. The rules change of course with athletes. I'm sure you're going to use your vast experience that you won't specify to tell me I'm wrong and yellow belts should be doing rope climbs, though.

 

[Zankou]

Yeah I actually feel like I am in the opposite category, where my sport-specific strength is fairly high but my basic strength is surprisingly poor. Like Todd, I have great grip strength. So I think basic lifting will hopefully be very good for me.

 

[Ethan]

Honestly dude what you want to be doing is what's going to work best for you, whether it's crossfit or kettle bells or powerlifting. I just can't resist a stupid argument based on semantics.

 

[Uchi Mata]

Yeah I actually feel like I am in the opposite category, where my sport-specific strength is fairly high but my basic strength is surprisingly poor. Like Todd, I have great grip strength. So I think basic lifting will hopefully be very good for me.

I'm the same way. People always tell me how strong I am after rolling with me, but my weight room numbers are well below average for a competitive athlete my size. My back's so bad though and my kid takes so much time that I'm planning on selling my power rack and weights pretty soon. I mostly do kettlebell and body weight stuff these days, plus hill sprints.

 

[Ivaylo Ivanov]

I was kind of thinking you were suggesting goofy functional training shit. All of what you have listed is more along the lines of traditional strength and conditioning.

I still maintain that increasing limit strength is better for an individual without a good strength base than developing any other qualities. The rules change of course with athletes. I'm sure you're going to use your vast experience that you won't specify to tell me I'm wrong and yellow belts should be doing rope climbs, though.

I am not going to waste time and explain who I am and what I do to every new guy in F12.
If you are smart, you could click on a few links, check posts history and you will know better.
I dont know why every SnC including, but not limited to big lifts have to be PL. Crossfiters also use the big 3, are they powerlifters?
PL protocols are good for PL. Combat athletes dont need to excell in static lifts. They can def benefit from strength training, but there are zero reasons to limit grappler's training to PL. There are many better ways to get stronger at gripping, throwing and controling resisting opponent. Especially when you need to do it for 5 min. Then rest a few and repeat, progressing in quality of the opponents.
There is nothing in PL training, that translates into repeatedly using same amount of explosive force for 5 min, even when your muscles are filled with lactic acid.

 

[magick]

There is nothing in PL training, that translates into repeatedly using same amount of explosive force for 5 min, even when your muscles are filled with lactic acid.

Training with squat/bench/deadlift=/= powerlifting.

For enthusiasts, and just people in general, just doing some variation of squat/upper body push/horizontal pull/vertical pull is enough. If you choose to fill those up with a barbell squat/bench/DB row/pull-up then that's fine. If you choose to fill those up with split-squat/DB pressing/barbell row/pull-up then that's fine too. The only possible difference is that it may be more difficult to progress with DB pressing as compared to barbell pressing, and vice versa.

This is a silly thing to argue over anyhow.

Whats common in all of the above mentioned countries?

No idea.

 

[RJ Green]

Same in East Europe, Russia, Mongolia and the Stans.
Whats common in all of the above mentioned countries?

everything apparently, you commie bastards!

 

[RJ Green]

....stoicism, alcoholism, cigarette use per capita, beautiful women of disconcertingly ambiguous age, general love and adoration for American manifest destiny...

 

[Kbits]

Onq =
http://yagadome.com/founder/

Is this an old photo or someone who shares your name and country of origin?
http://www.judoinside.com/judoka/view/57515/judo-results

 

[RJ Green]

What a coincidence kbits! You should be a detective.

 

[RJ Green]

while we're at it, guess i'd better fess up: i'm also a country music singer

[YT]ye7OGxi63VQ[/YT]

 

[Kbits]

What a coincidence kbits! You should be a detective.

In fairness RJ, I had/have no idea who Onq was until I clicked his link and then googled judoinsider. He looks a lot older on his blog than he does on judo insider (if that is him), so I thought it prudent to confirm, given the tenor of "do you even know who I am, bro?" For all I know, his name in Bulgaria might be as common as John Smith is here.