Elections Official Joe Biden Sundowning Megathread

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Ah it's only absolutes huh? Well it's all our faults for USA exiting this would not of happened if there was no America.

Did Trump negotiate a pull out with the Taliban?

 

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You know what separates you leftists from practically everyone else?

The lack of critical thinking skills.

Trump fully enabled and authorized the military to hunt down ISIS leadership and eradicated everyone and everything in their way.

And.... you actually think for the taliban, who's been a far bigger threat to Americans than ISIS, that Trump would just surrender Afghanistan to them? Abandoning thousands of US citizens to those who want to murder them?

No, you idiot, he negotiated a ceasefire, for them to stay in their own territory and leave the major-populated cities alone.

Now would the taliban have kept the deal? Doubtful. But they'd be far more fearful of Trump than Biden if they didn't. Biden is the only President dumb enough to withdraw ALL military support which would have acted as air support for the Afghan military.

By the way, you obviously haven't received your talking points from the MSM, but in short in their view the entire operation has been a complete success.

Yes, that's right, in the last 2 weeks, the administration has...
*Surrendered all of Afghanistan.
*Abandoned thousands of US citizens, interpreters, and 40+ military dogs.
*Gave the names and addresses of US citizens to the taliban, a 'kill list' or a 'please take these hostages and hold them for ransom for billions of dollars' list.
*14 Marines killed in a suicide attack, some of whom were young enough to be babies when this war started 19 years ago.
*$85 billion in military equipment.

...and the generals and press secretary is calling all of that a 'complete success.'

So, choose one, buddy.

This is all public record. I don't understand why you feel compelled to argue against it.

A Feb. 29, 2020, agreement between the United States and the Taliban said that the U.S. and its allies would withdraw their military forces within 14 months of the agreement’s announcement. The deal said that the Taliban would not allow groups, including al-Qaida, in Afghanistan to threaten the security of the United States and its allies. It also called for negotiations between the Taliban and the Afghan government, starting March 10, 2020.
According to the agreement, up to 5,000 Taliban prisoners and up to 1,000 prisoners "of the other side" would be released by a specified timeline. "The United States commits to completing this goal," the deal said, adding that the Taliban also committed to keeping its released prisoners from posing a threat to the security of the United States and its allies.

Mike Pompeo, Trump’s secretary of state, said on Feb. 29, 2020, that the agreement "entails a promise from the Taliban that terrorists can never again operate from Afghan soil."

By August 2020, news reports said that the Afghan government, which was not a signatory in the Taliban-U.S. deal, had released 4,600 Taliban prisoners after pressure from the Trump administration. Afghan officials considered the release of 400 other prisoners problematic because they had committed major crimes, Voice of America reported

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...omney-accurately-says-trump-administration-w/

 

[ShadowRun]

Did Trump negotiate a pull out with the Taliban?

A conditional withdraw deal ? of course my post had nothing to do with that and what does that got to do with poor planning, bad tactics, going against intel, unnecessary risk that happened this year along with Biden's 9/11 announced date in April ?

 

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,mm m m

 

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Ah it's only absolutes huh? Well it's all our faults for USA exiting this would not of happened if there was no America.

What does this jingoistic nonsense even mean?

Such a BS post ... Trump started it so therefore it's his fault for the failure of tactual planning on every level... Biden had no problem reversing and undoing everything else Trump did, Keystone, Border policies, non tans in military, Pulling out of Paris agreement ect... but this one ! Ole Biden couldn't do it.

It is rather odd that after you just agreed that Trump negotiated with the Taliban ,without the Afghan government included, for a withdraw and the release of 5,000 taliban prisoners on the condition they break ties with Al-Qaeda that you state that Biden should just break the peace negotiations put in place by his predecessor. It is rather odd that you think peace agreements should be conditional on whoever is president. And it isn't really an apple to apple comparison to compare a wartime peace agreement to the keystone pipeline. It really isn't

What do you think that would do to the U.S.'s credibility for conflict agreements? Why would anyone ever negotiate with the U.S.? You would help yourself by just agreeing that Trump negotiate all this rather than blaming Biden for honoring an agreement.

 

[Confucamus]

There is no question this was worse than Vietnam.

How is this even a question? The Saigon withdrawal was nowhere near this disastrous. It's historical, for sure, but history is made and remade all the time. This will forever be the disaster withdrawal threshold for America.

 

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There is no question this was worse than Vietnam.

For whom? Vietnam is a successful country and what was the U.S. getting out of Vietnam. What was Afghanistan getting from a foreign occupier being their for 20 years? What was the U.S. getting out of occupying Afghanistan? The pull out of Afghanistan is relatively death free if that is your criteria. It is obvious that the Taliban are constraining themselves during the pullout.

 

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There is no question this was worse than Vietnam.

For whom? Vietnam is a successful country and what was the U.S. getting out of Vietnam. What was Afghanistan getting from a foreign occupier being there for 20 years? What was the U.S. getting out of occupying Afghanistan? I think it is a win win all round. If Trump managed to get the Taliban to agree to not allow terrorist group like Al-Qaeda to foster on Afghan soil, that removes the fear of Afghanistan becoming a hot bed for terrorism. I believe that is overstated because terrorism can be fostered anywhere but it is a legit concern. Will Afghanistan no longer be democratic? Yes. Will it fall under conservative islamic rule? Yeah, but that is what it was before. Should the U.S. care about a country being conservatively islamic? Probably not but there isn't anything that you can do even if you wanted.

 

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How is this even a question? The Saigon withdrawal was nowhere near this disastrous. It's historical, for sure, but history is made and remade all the time. This will forever be the disaster withdrawal threshold for America.

Really. I don't think you have any concept of how unruly the situation was. They were at the end airlifting people off of buildings. Presently, the U.S. has control of an airport and are flying out C-40 planes full of people. It is not remotely similar. Taliban even ushering westerners to the airport. How is this even remotely similar? I mean common guys. Go watch some documentaries. There was nothing like this in vietnam. No long lines of organized people to fly out. No airport under control. No north viet cong usher people to the airport. Seriously.

 

[ShadowRun]

What does this jingoistic nonsense even mean?



It is rather odd that after you just agreed that Trump negotiated with the Taliban ,without the Afghan government included, for a withdraw and the release of 5,000 taliban prisoners on the condition they break ties with Al-Qaeda that you state that Biden should just break the peace negotiations put in place by his predecessor. It is rather odd that you think peace agreements should be conditional on whoever is president. And it isn't really an apple to apple comparison to compare a wartime peace agreement to the keystone pipeline. It really isn't

What do you think that would do to the U.S.'s credibility for conflict agreements? Why would anyone ever negotiate with the U.S.? You would help yourself by just agreeing that Trump negotiate all this rather than blaming Biden for honoring an agreement.

Such a weak argument I don’t get your point you basically orange man bad it’s all his fault right ?

 

[Prefect]

Such a weak argument I don’t get your point you basically orange man bad it’s all his fault right ?

This is all part of Trump's negotiated settlement. It only bears to see if it was wise but this is his legacy good or bad because he negotiated the terms of the withdraw. That is reality whether you believe in it or not. All the planning needed to withdraw hundreds of thousand of troops and equipment was all done before Biden entered office. The agreement from February of last year gave the U.S. 14 months to start withdraws. It probably takes a whole year of planning to end a campaign of this size.

 

[ShadowRun]

This is all part of Trump's negotiated settlement. It only bears to see if it was wise but this is his legacy good or bad because he negotiated the terms of the withdraw. That is reality whether you believe in it or not. All the planning needed to withdraw hundreds of thousand of troops and equipment was all done before Biden entered office. The agreement from February of last year gave the U.S. 14 months to start withdraws. It probably takes a whole year of planning to end a campaign of this size.

No you are way wrong and there were not 109 thousands of troops it was less than 10k Biden announced in April after his three month evaluation he will do the withdraw but different dates and different plans . I left Afghanistan on May1st under Biden’s plan. Which is different then Trump……

 

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No you are way wrong and there were not 109 thousands of troops it was less than 10k Biden announced in April after his three month evaluation he will do the withdraw but different dates and different plans . I left Afghanistan on May1st under Biden’s plan. Which is different then Trump……

You are right on the troop count. My point that the U.S. is locked into the Trump's agreement holds even if you feel it is prudent to just violate a peace agreement because you feel like it.

 

[ShadowRun]

You are right on the troop count. My point that the U.S. is locked into the Trump's agreement holds even if you feel it is prudent to just violate a peace agreement because you feel like it.

Yea that could be I didn’t object to leaving Afghan but the way it has happened has been executed poorly and bad planning from military leadership and Biden. He could of said we aren’t honoring the deal with Taliban since they classified as terrorist

 

[Prefect]

Good job. Found a picture of a helicopter. Maybe, go look at pictures of the fall of Siagon next.

 

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Yea that could be I didn’t object to leaving Afghan but the way it has happened has been executed poorly and bad planning from military leadership and Biden. He could of said we aren’t honoring the deal with Taliban since they classified as terrorist

You mean Trump's hypothetical plan that never got tested against reality and had no possibility of running into problems because Trump has done a glorious job handling every single crisis because he puts together such well thought out plans.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

Really? Which media? I'm not seeing much besides the usual channels carrying water for a this Democrat Administration like they did during the Obama years.

Type something like "Afghanistan Withdrawal Mishandled" or "Afghanistan Withdrawal Failure". Wapo has "Withdrawal Exposes Republican Divide on Foreign Policy". CNBC has "America Ends its Longest War, Finishes Kabul Withdrawal".

CNN has their daily updated "Afghan News Page" with articles like "Some Republicans Spread a False Claim About the Taliban executing a Man from a Helicopter".

Type "Afghanistan Withdrawal CNN" then click on the "scathing" articles with titles like "US Completes Withdrawal from Afghanistan", and "Biden Keeps August 31 Deadline to Withdraw from Afghanistan".

Maybe you're referring to something like CNN's "Most Americans Favor Afghanistan Withdrawal but Say It Was Poorly Handled" which cites CBS and NBC polls? Wow. How scathing.....

Yeah, I guess it's just entirely coincidental that the media FINALLY took the kid gloves off with Biden and his ratings absolutely plummeted. It's working against Biden just like it worked against Trump. They're obviously sending him and other politicians a message. It's quite clear they favor him over Trump, but they also want to keep us in forever wars...









CNN is using the same messaging as Fox News against Biden. Vice News is using the same messaging as Sky News. When did you see that before? Both the Democratic and Republican establishment have the same donors and they want neoconservative foreign policy and neoliberal domestic policy. That's the establishment consensus. There's just some surface-level disagreement on certain social issues to distract us from real issues that they screw all of us on.

 

[floivanus]

Yeah, I guess it's just entirely coincidental that the media FINALLY took the kid gloves off with Biden and his ratings absolutely plummeted. It's working against Biden just like it worked against Trump. They're obviously sending him and other politicians a message. It's quite clear they favor him over Trump, but they also want to keep us in forever wars...









CNN is using the same messaging as Fox News against Biden. Vice News is using the same messaging as Sky News. When did you see that before? Both the Democratic and Republican establishment have the same donors and they want neoconservative foreign policy and neoliberal domestic policy. That's the establishment consensus. There's just some surface-level disagreement on certain social issues to distract us from real issues that they screw all of us on.

So we admit that there isn’t a fair, unbiased media and that they decide to turn on someone or something together and crush them in the court of public opinion?

 

[ShadowRun]

You mean Trump's hypothetical plan that never got tested against reality and had no possibility of running into problems because Trump has done a glorious job handling every single crisis because he puts together such well thought out plans.

Nah Trump could of totally shit the bed if he was President also it is a possibility but Biden is in charge this happened under him 8 months into the presidency.

 

[Confucamus]

Really. I don't think you have any concept of how unruly the situation was. They were at the end airlifting people off of buildings. Presently, the U.S. has control of an airport and are flying out C-40 planes full of people. It is not remotely similar. Taliban even ushering westerners to the airport. How is this even remotely similar? I mean common guys. Go watch some documentaries. There was nothing like this in vietnam. No long lines of organized people to fly out. No airport under control. No north viet cong usher people to the airport. Seriously.

I didn't say it was similar. I said it was worse. Did Saigon have South Vietnamese falling out of the sky after clinging to landing gear? Did we put the North Vietnamese in charge of airport security? Did we leave $85 billion worth of weapons, uniforms, and ground/air transports? Your efforts to downplay the seriousness of this situation, and Biden's role, is silly.