Off Steroids, Jon Jones Looks Average

[Captain Herb]

And if he wasn’t doping in the first half of 2018? During his second suspension while subject to random testing....

All we know is that there is a 6 month window in 2018 when he was not tested at all. His very first test after that period, he had traces of Tbol

 

[cauti0n]

All JW fighters look like that after a while.

 

[kflo]

No it's not that. It's that you're so dumb you can't read.

Words hard, kflo dumb.

Yeah. No. Try following along yourself troll.

 

[Captain Herb]

IMO Yes but that's where Nostalgia gets in the way.. How does the Shogun Jones beat fair against Reyes? IMO very poorly. But Nostalgia..

It's hard to say, Reyes is bigger, but is he more skilled than Evans/Shogun/Machida? Not sure about that.

 

[kflo]

All we know is that there is a 6 month window in 2018 when he was not tested at all. His very first test after that period, he had traces of Tbol

He was in random testing pool. Knowing a 3rd offense could end his career.

And he had traces of m3 in 2019 as well.

 

[Captain Herb]

Agree mostly but not with jones getting an 8 year suspension if he pops again. He's been done twice and has pretty much gotten away with it. Its clear he juiced his way to the top. He's a very good fighter but never great and lols at goatness.

He received a four year suspension but reduced it by snitching. If he pops again, I believe he'll be looking at 8 years. But I'm not for sure on that

 

[GoshiShun17]

IMO Yes but that's where Nostalgia gets in the way.. How does the Shogun Jones beat fair against Reyes? IMO very poorly. But Nostalgia..

Reyes doesn't have the best defense so Shogun would have a good puncher's chance...or not lol.

 

[Dbreiden83080]

It's hard to say, Reyes is bigger, but is he more skilled than Evans/Shogun/Machida? Not sure about that.

Very athletic. He bragged about that to the point he got made fun of but... Shit... Dude is a hell of an athlete..

 

[Dbreiden83080]

Reyes doesn't have the best defense so Shogun would have a good puncher's chance...or not lol.

Yeah sure. But I could see Reyes lighting his ass up.. I mean we will never know.. But people hold on so tight to the past..

 

[thehighking]

I don't believe it's the steroids, I think he's just past his peak. Nobody stays on top forever, steroids or not. He reached his peak young and now it's the beginning of his decline. He's most likely used steroids on and off for his entire career. The benefits don't go away when you stop taking them

 

[mmathurbator]

He's not 1-2, he's 2-1 against the #1 contenders in the top organization in the world.. and that 1 was razor thin (go watch it again closely with the sound off). if that means average to you, then lay off the crack pipe. So many Jones haters in here.

 

[mmathurbator]

I don't believe it's the steroids, I think he's just past his peak. Nobody stays on top forever, steroids or not. He reached his peak young and now it's the beginning of his decline. He's most likely used steroids on and off for his entire career. The benefits don't go away when you stop taking them

the benefits actually do go away when you stop (95% of them) go look at belfort when they took him off T. Turned into a middle aged woman. This has not happened with Jones at all though. He's probably not as motivated as he used to be, happens with most champions (even gsp eventually). Other guys are catching up more, and we are seeing more BIG lhw's like Reyes who also have the skills to be a UFC champ. That's all it is.

 

[mmathurbator]

It's hard to say, Reyes is bigger, but is he more skilled than Evans/Shogun/Machida? Not sure about that.

in their prime, I don't think so. I think shogun and machida were both more skilled, but that reach is hard to overcome in a striking match. I'd say he's about on par with Evans, but bigger.

 

[It's-Only-Business]

Not only is he off steroids, but his levels would be low from using so below average testosterone levels would explain

 

[gokage]

He received a four year suspension but reduced it by snitching. If he pops again, I believe he'll be looking at 8 years. But I'm not for sure on that

First you said jon paid USADA, then it wasn’t WME now it’s snitching you sound like the rest of the conflicted tin pot hat wearing conspiracy theorists who want it to be one way but also want it to be another despite it not making sense.

 

[GoshiShun17]

Yeah sure. But I could see Reyes lighting his ass up.. I mean we will never know.. But people hold on so tight to the past..

You know what, I said Reyes but I actually thought we were talking about Thiago Santos. Reyes would absolutely starch Shogun.

 

[Captain Herb]

First you said jon paid USADA, then it wasn’t WME now it’s snitching you sound like the rest of the conflicted tin pot hat wearing conspiracy theorists who want it to be one way but also want it to be another despite it not making sense.

Not sure what you mean but the only thing I can think of is that Jon paid for arbitration twice? It's a fact that he reduced his sentence by snitching (or promising to)

 

[Paynebringer]

Don't look that much different to me not like he was laying out guys at a furious rate or slamming people with feats of strength. Fighting with high IQ and strategy and into deep rounds don't really require steroids...

 

[NorrisB]

Is Jon Jones "off steroids"? He was tested 42 times last year by three different testing orgs. Not even Jon is dumb enough to risk failing another test because it would mean a career-ending suspension (8 yrs). Everyone agrees that when it comes to fighting, Jon is on the decline. People like me have been saying it for a while and now everyone else is finally agreeing. So:

Is his competition better than ever? No, not really.

Is he worn down by fight years? No, he has taken less damage over 10+ years than anyone else I can think of

Is he just getting old? No, he is 32. Prime years for a LHW.

So what has changed? Steroids, obviously.

Let's assume that DC2 was the last time he took a heavy dose of steroids, and let's assume that he was always roided to the gills before that.

Glover, DC1 and DC2 were his last great fights. Since then, he has clearly been declining. Even his finish of Gus 2 is lackluster, and OSP could have been the first time he fought off steroids, being scared straight after his first bust. It didn't last long because soon enough he was back on the juice and was busted again after DC2.

Jon Jones is very arguably 1-2 in his last 3 fights. Jones now looks average and he will finally lose the belt in the next 3 fights, either Reyes 2, Santos 2, or winner of Jan/25-8

Good post, Jones does look very average as of late and it's probably do to lack of roids. @RawkyMarciano @asdf122345

 

[MuayThaiBX]

He's a shell of his former dominant self. But still has enough fight IQ + length to trouble anybody with his point fighting. It will still take a great performance from somebody in a weak division. But it seems infinitely more possible than 2+ years ago.