Crime Oath keeper leader found guilty of seditious conspiracy

Rational Poster said:
Except you know, seditious conspiracy, breaking into congress during the transfer of power between presidents, fighting with police, storing weapons nearby for use if things escalate, stealing government property etc
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I also have political fantasies, but I guess since I’ve never taken a selfie in Capitol Hill I’m good
 
Rational Poster said:
Except you know, seditious conspiracy, breaking into congress during the transfer of power between presidents, fighting with police, storing weapons nearby for use if things escalate, stealing government property etc
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if you mumble “fbi” enough times, none of that matters.

fbi fbi feds fbi… soros… fbi fbi
 
What's an Oath Keeper? Is that the group of undercover Feds that agitated the protesters on Jan 6th and escorted them in the buildings?
 
This thread is full of the same excuse making that always comes up with this subject. The correct way to approach this is a simple question:

If they accomplished what they set out to accomplish, what would that look like?

That's the crime they were aiming for, how close they come to succeeding is irrelevant. Conspiracy, abetting, etc. are about what the goal was, not the success rate.

If someone shoots at you and misses, none of us would say "That wasn't attempted murder because the shooter is a bad shot. It's only attempted murder if the shooter is well-trained." Instead, if they had been successful, what would that look like?
 
panamaican said:
This thread is full of the same excuse making that always comes up with this subject. The correct way to approach this is a simple question:

If they accomplished what they set out to accomplish, what would that look like?

That's the crime they were aiming for, how close they come to succeeding is irrelevant. Conspiracy, abetting, etc. are about what the goal was, not the success rate.

If someone shoots at you and misses, none of us would say "That wasn't attempted murder because the shooter is a bad shot. It's only attempted murder if the shooter is well-trained." Instead, if they had been successful, what would that look like?
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great post man. i doubt there are many on the right who actually believe that just because it did not succeed it doesnt matter. i think its just something they say to deflect.
 
panamaican said:
This thread is full of the same excuse making that always comes up with this subject. The correct way to approach this is a simple question:

If they accomplished what they set out to accomplish, what would that look like?

That's the crime they were aiming for, how close they come to succeeding is irrelevant. Conspiracy, abetting, etc. are about what the goal was, not the success rate.

If someone shoots at you and misses, none of us would say "That wasn't attempted murder because the shooter is a bad shot. It's only attempted murder if the shooter is well-trained." Instead, if they had been successful, what would that look like?
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Exactly, if I fail to get into a bank vault does that mean I should be sent away with an "oh you!" And a wagged finger? They stated explicitly their goal was to overturn the election result.
 
So Fresh said:
This coming from the guy who thinks woke is danger to society <Lmaoo>
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I think these Woke lawmakers/Pols and DAs are responsible for more deaths and hurt citizens than the idiot rioters. No Bail, Repeat Offenders let go, legalized tent cities, public drug use, encouraged BLM riots, defund police areas.....yeah not even close, Woke is WAY more dangerous.
 
panamaican said:
This thread is full of the same excuse making that always comes up with this subject. The correct way to approach this is a simple question:

If they accomplished what they set out to accomplish, what would that look like?

That's the crime they were aiming for, how close they come to succeeding is irrelevant. Conspiracy, abetting, etc. are about what the goal was, not the success rate.

If someone shoots at you and misses, none of us would say "That wasn't attempted murder because the shooter is a bad shot. It's only attempted murder if the shooter is well-trained." Instead, if they had been successful, what would that look like?
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Yeah, the defense for these sorts of conspiracy charges almost always rests on “it’s all just talk, they weren’t doing anything other than fantasizing and cosplaying together”.

Especially since the government has the message content and some of the defendants and their associates definitely ended up committing crimes and breaching the Capitol building that day.

The jury officially issues the verdict though, and it doesn’t include an explanation of why they made that decision. It makes it easy for people to pretend that the end result was somehow fixed or unfair and not because the evidence was conclusive in one direction
 
I Am Legion said:
I think these Woke lawmakers/Pols and DAs are responsible for more deaths and hurt citizens than the idiot rioters. No Bail, Repeat Offenders let go, legalized tent cities, public drug use, encouraged BLM riots, defund police areas.....yeah not even close, Woke is WAY more dangerous.
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This is a brutally terrible take. Far right extremism is the most significant terrorist threat in the U.S. today. Sources here and here.
I don’t want to get off topic here, but you understand that in a No Cash Bail state, a person can still be held without bail, right? If they are a violent offender (which 95% are not), they can be held without bail. If they are deemed safe to be in society until their court date, then they should be released to do so. Judges can release them on their OR, or release them on certain conditions. What we do now is say, “Ok, Mr. Am Legion, we think you are non-violent and not a flight risk and it’s totally ok for you to be released until your court date. And we’ll release you—as soon as you pay us.” Why make one’s economic status a condition of release? Either release them if they should be, or hold hem without bail if they’re deemed unsafe. Simple.

Public drug use? What does that mean—weed? Tell me you’re joking.
 
I Am Legion said:
I think these Woke lawmakers/Pols and DAs are responsible for more deaths and hurt citizens than the idiot rioters. No Bail, Repeat Offenders let go, legalized tent cities, public drug use, encouraged BLM riots, defund police areas.....yeah not even close, Woke is WAY more dangerous.
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<YeahOKJen>
 
James Bomb said:
Yeah, the defense for these sorts of conspiracy charges almost always rests on “it’s all just talk, they weren’t doing anything other than fantasizing and cosplaying together”.

Especially since the government has the message content and some of the defendants and their associates definitely ended up committing crimes and breaching the Capitol building that day.

The jury officially issues the verdict though, and it doesn’t include an explanation of why they made that decision. It makes it easy for people to pretend that the end result was somehow fixed or unfair and not because the evidence was conclusive in one direction
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We all know that the people defending the Jan 6 crowd are only doing it because it's the internet and winning political arguments is more important than truth or credibility. But I don't think I'm ever going to be truly understand how anyone can proclaim a love for country and still put internet chest thumping above doing the right thing.
 
No weapons, and no violence, just some heated rhetoric on social media and being in the vicinity of an FBI op. Fuck this corrupt Washington DC bullshit that proves their point.
 
panamaican said:
We all know that the people defending the Jan 6 crowd are only doing it because it's the internet and winning political arguments is more important than truth or credibility. But I don't think I'm ever going to be truly understand how anyone can proclaim a love for country and still put internet chest thumping above doing the right thing.
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Yeah, a lot of the people here have some of the extreme views… As much as we joke about it, hopefully none are as violent as these extremists though.
 
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Whippy McGee said:
The Jan 6 rioters were no threat to the nation. Convicting all these goofs without knowing the full extent of the FBIs part, why the Capitol Police were so fucked up, and who people like Ray Epps are seems really sketchy. Very few of them hurt anyone or anything. The ones that actually did attack police should get bent. The over reaction is for political reasons.

Anyone acting like January 6 was some real threat to the nation is a Willy Weak Suck.
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They just televised a series of hearings on these investigations.

I'm sure you'd have preferred if they'd hired the Cyber Ninjas to run an independent investigation.
 
BIKES! said:
What's an Oath Keeper? Is that the group of undercover Feds that agitated the protesters on Jan 6th and escorted them in the buildings?
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Blaming the feds is a tried and true evasion practiced by white supremacists for decades.

"Anyone saying super racist shit must be a fed".
 
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