Elections NYC mayoral race

[Islam Imamate]

Ok, this made me break out into laughter

This is what Mamdani looks like to posters like nhbbear

 

[Mr Holmes]

You think Warren gave him a sloppy for this move? F him.

Taken down. What was it?

 

[Islam Imamate]

. But as pro Palestinian protesters in nyc and too many other cities have demonstrated over and over again-being anti Israel also translates into anti Jewish sentiments as well as many of them cheering on hamas-which is just evil.

You could say the same about being anti-BLM, that it translates into anti-black sentiment. That's the case with criticism of any ideology that is associated with a given ethnic, religious, or racial group. Doesn't mean you can just dismiss that criticism of of hand.

 

[Islam Imamate]

This is gonna be a really interesting social experiment. I'm glad I'm not a New Yorker. If mamdani and his socilst white middle class voters are correct this should go great. If they aren't? White women are absolutely fucked in that city. Literally. And probably the ones who voted for him the hardest.

Popcorn time. Terrible outcomes.

However.

I think he does fuck all either way. Just said the necessary to get into power.

Why are white women in particular f*cked?

 

[fedoriswar37]

If the bulk of voting New Yorkers want Socialsm give'em Socialism. If they want Communism give'em Communism. But, if it doesn't work out the way they thought or hoped I don't want to read a bunch of shit about how it wasn't Real Socialism or Real Communism.

Brother. Thats the liberal playbook step for step. They say somethings not gunna happen, then say its happening but its good, then say it failed because it never really happened . Then they just flat out lie moving hoping you dont remember living through it.

P.s - step 10 is you end up on sherdog writing your diary out in hopes of some liberal group therapy . Its really a vicious cycle.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Taken down. What was it?

He moved to tax all bitcoin transactions

 

[Anung Un Rama]

He just doesn't have the power to get the things done that he wants to do. It's no different than any other polictician promising things that they know they can't deliver because they wont be able to get approval from all the people above them.

And he hasn't even been sworn in yet. He has a ton of momentum and support and Hochul doesn't have NY locked up, she'll need some of his enthusiasm and support. I think this is called politics.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

You could say the same about being anti-BLM, that it translates into anti-black sentiment. That's the case with criticism of any ideology that is associated with a given ethnic, religious, or racial group. Doesn't mean you can just dismiss that criticism of of hand.

And anti-Israel sentiment only translated into actual antisemitism when people in leadership positions equate the 2.
You either have true antisemites attacking that nonsense for what it is with the false appearance of legitimacy, or you have the ignorant not understanding the difference, but recognizing subconsciously its wrong and develop antisemitic positions.
The current Israeli government under Bibi has done more to stoke the flames of antisemitism than anything in my lifetime. You couple that with the MAGA white nationalist antisemitism and its incredibly dangerous.
I feel so bad for Jewish people having to deal with this, even the zionists who are still brainwashed. And its only going to get worse. If Trump is able to rig the midterms the masks are going to come off.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

I'll be in NY next summer, I wonder if anything will be visible regarding this new mayor. Last time I was there I was surprised how many very clearly mentally ill people were around at night.

- I read youtube coments months ago, some type of attack on metro, and guys said is common to see crazy people roaming around the streets of NY.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Media has become worse than soviet-era Pravda stuff. All just ridiculous theatre.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

If the bulk of voting New Yorkers want Socialsm give'em Socialism. If they want Communism give'em Communism. But, if it doesn't work out the way they thought or hoped I don't want to read a bunch of shit about how it wasn't Real Socialism or Real Communism.

- Funny when the crimes rises, they beg for Spider-Man or Punisher to save them!

 

[Islam Imamate]

- I read youtube coments months ago, some type of attack on metro, and guys said is common to see crazy people roaming around the streets of NY.

I guarantee you NYC is safer and cleaner than the last big city you visited in Brazil.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Imagine believing that the free market lowers prices.

Lolololololololol

He's right though, you make housing more affordable by building more housing. Rent freeze is a bad idea, just let people build housing.

 

[HereticBD]

And he hasn't even been sworn in yet. He has a ton of momentum and support and Hochul doesn't have NY locked up, she'll need some of his enthusiasm and support. I think this is called politics.

Yeah, desperate politics. Get behind the popular socialist guy, and then cut his nuts off, leading to people questioning both the Governor and Mayor's effectiveness.

Piss off all sides
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Profit?

The Democrat way.

 

[nhbbear]

She is just smart enough not piss off corporate donors... barely

No one will ever be able to convince me that all of congress-house and senate, potus and their cabinet, larger city mayors, and governors are not all completely bought and paid for by special interest groups who completely pull their strings and have taken over our so called democratic process by ensuring that their needs-and only their needs are taken care of.

Hell, we have always had corruption in small towns-but nothing like what we see on the large stage, and a relatively recent development was the input of big money into the justice system. Judges have always been very political, but district attorneys is what I am referring to with that cunt, soros, injecting lots of money into district attorneys races all over the country-mostly in big cities. Examples include larry krasner in Philly, bragg in nyc, fox in chicago, garza in Austin, gascon in la, and so many others-he’ll, I bet we could probably look and see that he backed the va attorney general jay jones even after he made threats about children and said he would kill his opponent rather than hitler.

Quick edit-I decided to look it up before posting. Yes, soros and many others donated big to jones’ campaign. In fact, they donated over one million dollars even after his threats to shoot his opponent and his children came out. Apparently, he also allegedly made comments about killing police officers to celebrating their deaths-that I will have to look up when I have time-too many quoted posts to respond to. Anyway, soros donated 250 k, fat guy pritzker donated 20k, bloomburg donated a couple of hundred thousand dollars, and anti gun groups donated money that most likely came from soros because he funds those groups-and that is very important. Every one of the last few big donors I named are VERY ANTI GUN and they have named jones as their anti gun champion-that’s right, the same guy that said he wants to shoot his political opponent with a gun is their anti gun champion.

Ok, I had to look up the cop thing-now I recall. He said if more cops got shot and killed that they would likely shoot less people. Again, this is the guy that is gong to be steering the ship of criminal justice in the state of VA. Fucking laughable

 

[nhbbear]

Do you see how easy it is, to calculate for that extra hour for pay?

Wait, wut? To be fair, I have had so many conversations today about many different things, so refresh me about the overtime?

 

[nostradumbass]

Imagine believing that the free market lowers prices.

Lolololololololol

Yeah, we all remember that government mandate that made every appliance, TVs, air travel, computers, basically every modern convenience like a fraction of the cost.

 

[nhbbear]

You felt Mamdani's position related to Israel was important enough to put in your post.
Whether you think thats important or the news outlets/ politicians you get your information from thinks that way its insane.
Every American should be anti-Israel, if not its very existence then the way their government has operated from day one; from the Nakba, to apartheid, to occupation, to genocide.
There are laws in the US that say you can not not do business with them and they have repeatedly tried to get laws past to mean that any criticism of Israel is hate speech.
If Mamdani is anti-Israel then that means he's sane and deserves support.

As for the NYPD being racist... I mean c'mon
Stop and Frisk ring a bell?

How about this, from last year:

New report from NYPD monitor examines at racial disparities in policing. Here's what it says.

A new report from the NYPD's court-appointed monitor says the department still has plenty of work to do to address racial disparities in policing.

www.cbsnews.com

I will have to read that article tomorrow and will get back to you on that. I am really not going to have the israel or Palestine debate with you in this thread-it’s simply not germaine to this topic. I only mentioned it because he claimed that the nypd has their boot on the neck of new Yorkers and the idf laces up the boot. How in the world could any cop either want to work under that man or be able to work under him?

As for stop and frisk, teach a decent amount on that topic. The primary point that I get across is that it is unconstitutional. It gives an officer the right to stop and do a Terry frisk per Terry v Ohio on anyone they choose without having to have reasonable articulable suspicion-the belief that a crime has occurred, is occurring( or is about to occur based upon knowledge and training and knowledge about recent crimes in the area, time of night or if the crimes are believed to be happening during a time certain time frame, knowledge of the area-is it high crime or drug dealing area, or maybe the officer has specific knowledge about the individual that when taken with some of the other info, give the officers the authority to detain and question the person.

As for stop and frisk and the numbers that came from the article and other studies on the practice initiated under Bratton, I make no excuses for what was ruled unconstitutional in 2013-finally. It was a predatory practice where more blacks were stopped than whites (more in that in a min) but the reason it was used in in the first place was the extreme violence of the 90s crack epidemic and gangs fighting over drug dealing corners in able to control that black market cash.

So, you have all the violence in just about instance with large cities looking like war zones and your primary goal of protecting the sanctity of life-meaning we are going to probably disagree with some things from here on.
First, as for the numbers that showed blacks were stopped more than whites, I would counter with this: where is almost all the shootings, murders, armed robbery.

FUCK! I just lost everything I had typed from here on so I have to very quickly rewrite it.

Ok; where are the most occurrences of violent crimes such as robbery, carjacking, shootings, and murders? What can be said about these area’s socioeconomic status? And what can be said about who lives there? First, the violence is very closely correlated to the poorest areas in every city. I stress the last part because the actual poorest places in the country reside in Appalachia and the violence and crime simply are not alarming at all, so there are other factors at play. When I teach my classes this stuff, one of the possible answers for that has to do with population density. So you have a ton of people in a small space that are poor and competing for resources. I think that pretty well covers out base, but now we need to discuss who resides in these poor and violent neighborhoods. The answer is minorities. Depending on what part of what city you are currently in, a different minority will be the dominant and most populous. In little china or a china town area of a given city-it’s going to be Chinese people. Here’s where things get tricky though-not the same high levels of violence that we see in the other poor minority dominated spaces-so something else to discuss at a point later down the road. Then you have your black neighborhoods and your Hispanic neighborhoods. Comparing those two, they come in at 1 and 2 in terms of the amount of violence-specifically your murder rate is the easiest to calculate and is a generally accepted metric to determine how safe an area is. They also have other statistical calculations that can indicate how likely you are to be a victim of a certain type of crime. Since property crimes like theft and vandalism compared to violent crimes are 5:1-the good news is you’re more likely to have your car broken into rather than to be robbed at gun point.

So, we have established that our poorest black neighborhoods are where we go to find the highest crime levels and more importantly, our highest violent crime rates.

So with that in mind, you’re the police chief of a department and you are getting pressured by the mayor and city council-whom have your career in their hands. They decide if you remain the chief or if you get bused back to the traffic division. So, where are you sending your officers?

Having been a district commander who has had to make all of these decisions before, you always send your cops where the most crime is or most likely to be. You start with the most violent neighborhoods and there are so many different tactics you can attempt and there is no set order you have to go in as to what you try first. Obviously, you have to answer calls for service; but you’re also going to select the golden boys of the patrol unit to create yourself a brand new shiny unit that has the goal of knocking down these violent crime numbers. Again, this is my bag, so I could go on about this all day.


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Chief bratton decided to tackle the violent crime epidemic in the 89s and 99s by implementing a new strategy he called stop and frisk with the thoughts that they would get tons of gun and drugs off the streets because just like poverty and crime go together, so do drugs and guns: I have already said that stop and frisk was unconstitutional, so we already have an issue there, but now you’re applying it to a very marginalized group, which makes it look doubly as bad. The net result is often seen as a failure because in about 600k stop and frisk incidents, the most common contraband discovered was pot: guns turned up the least, and while I can’t remember the exact success rate, it it was under 1%. I don’t have time to look it up, but I calculated it for my class and even at that abysmal success rate; they still managed to get just under 20k guns off of the streets during the time stop and frisk was active.

So it looks like overpolocong to detractors of law enforcement and activists, but I always stress that cops go where the crime is regardless of race of the inhabitants color of their skin. So Bratton at least knew he had to focus on the poorest most violent neighborhoods m, he just went about it too aggressively and trampled on peoples fourth amendment rights:

 

[Siver!]

He's right though, you make housing more affordable by building more housing. Rent freeze is a bad idea, just let people build housing.

You make housing more affordable by building the right kind of housing, which almost always requires subsidies and assistance from public funds.

Private money alone has never and will never help. It's a fantasy. All private money wants is to exploit and enrich itself, ultimately driving up prices by - as we found in England - lowering pay, increasing debt, and widening the net of debt.

Affordable housing, at this point, is going to mean someone, somewhere, can't profit the way they do right now. This is going to require new means entirely, and the free market does not benefit from that.

 

[Islam Imamate]

You make housing more affordable by building the right kind of housing, which almost always requires subsidies and assistance from public funds.

No that's wrong, that approach usually fails and leads to wasted public funds if you don't get rid of the fundamental issue of red tape.

Private money alone has never and will never help. It's a fantasy. All private money wants is to exploit and enrich itself, ultimately driving up prices by - as we found in England - lowering pay, increasing debt, and widening the net of debt.

Affordable housing, at this point, is going to mean someone, somewhere, can't profit the way they do right now. This is going to require new means entirely, and the free market does not benefit from that.

The fantasy that never works is pouring money into affordable housing while handcuffing the housing sector with onerous zoning laws, fees, and community review.