Elections NYC mayoral race

[Xanzito]

 

[Andy Capp]

Because removing the fee would reduce the revenue of the MTA which desperately needs it. Additionally, I feel that's good to make people pay for certain public services like transit because a minimum fee acts like a filter against anti-social people.

This isn't to say that I think the fees should cover the cost of the system or that it has to be profitable, the fare should be subsidized to make it affordable to take the bus, but making it free would hurt the system as it'd need to be subsidized further from other sources and could invite anti-social people who would make the experience worse for most people.

Re: the bold, it also acts a a filter against people who don't have any money. I don't think that's a good thing, particularly in a city the size of New York, particularly for situations like trying to go to a doctor's appointment or meet with someone to apply for low income social programs and so on.

Edit: re: anti-socials, do you think they'd go through all the trouble to get the special bus pass I suggested above just to get on and be mean to other passengers, particularly if it's taken from them if they cause trouble?

As to for your first sentence, the obvious solution seems to me to pressure state and federal representatives to go along with the plan and contribute funding.

 

[UberHere]

LOL, fuck Cuomo.
And fuck everyone who pissed away money donating to his campaign

 

[Scerpi]

Only 5% of New Yorkers Voted for Mamdani​

Less than 30% even bothered to vote.​

Only 5% of New Yorkers Voted for Mamdani | Frontpage Mag

Less than 30% even bothered to vote.

www.frontpagemag.com

This is the real issue... Self Loathing White Liberals showed up for this lunatic

Blue Collar workers and minority groups voted for Cuomo.

They've experience what "Defund the Police" actually does to their communities.

 

[UberHere]

This is the real issue... Self Loathing White Liberals showed up for this lunatic

Blue Collar workers and minority groups voted for Cuomo.

They've experience what "Defund the Police" actually does to their communities.

Looks like they’re about to experience it again. Although in all likelihood, he’s gonna renege on the majority of what he’s been saying.

I’m not surprised by those stats one bit. Andrew Cuomo embodies everything white progressive dorks hate. He’s a white male whose old man’s a loaded former governor. Went to an insanely expensive private school, Albany Academy; groomed for a political career from childhood. Definition of privelaged, virtue signaling limousine liberal. Doesn’t help that he’s a toxic scumbag hypocrite, so I’d never vote his corrupt ass either.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

This is the real issue... Self Loathing White Liberals showed up for this lunatic

Blue Collar workers and minority groups voted for Cuomo.

They've experience what "Defund the Police" actually does to their communities.

Whoa, local voting demographics are flipped from federal. Those are crazy stats.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Re: the bold, it also acts a a filter against people who don't have any money. I don't think that's a good thing, particularly in a city the size of New York, particularly for situations like trying to go to a doctor's appointment or meet with someone to apply for low income social programs and so on.

A small fare isn't as much of a barrier to that as you might think. In my late teens and early 20s I was fairly broke by middle class standards and had to rely on the bus for a time because I didn't have a car. My issue with it was never that it was too expensive, it's that the bus service was bad.

Specifically the low frequencies and the fact that without dedicated lanes and adequate busses they got stuck in traffic and had to take circuitous routes. A ~30-40 min commute turned into a two and a half hour trip, often more because I would miss my connecting bus due to getting stuck in traffic on the first one which meant waiting 30 mins for the next one.

Edit: re: anti-socials, do you think they'd go through all the trouble to get the special bus pass I suggested above just to get on and be mean to other passengers, particularly if it's taken from them if the cause trouble?

Probably not so your idea is better than Mamdani's. My preference is for minimal bureaucracy though so I don't like to introduce that kind of complexity. Make it simple with one fare for everybody.

As to for your first sentence, the obvious solution seems to me to pressure state and federal representatives to go along with the plan and contribute funding.

Federal and state officials should help cities with public transit but it should mainly be with the initial investment of building it out while the city should be able to maintain the system. That's where fares come in.

 

[Spam On Rye]

Gonna be entertaining to see how much damage a Fabian socialist can do. NY is shit.

 

[GrantB13]

That’s the city. Remove NYC, buffalo, the capital district and it’s a red state full of hillbillies. Most of NYS is the middle of nowhere.

Take out every big city where most of the people live and you'll be left with rural towns. That's how it works. I think it's a false narrative to claim a state is actually red if all the cities weren't blue.

What you're saying is that most of the state's population who live day to day around other people not segregated to rural farmland - where life hasn't changed much in 30+ years - want to progress and change how society operates. So do the rural sparce populations determine policy or the people who live in the most populated areas?

 

[Xanzito]

This is the real issue... Self Loathing White Liberals showed up for this lunatic

Blue Collar workers and minority groups voted for Cuomo.

They've experience what "Defund the Police" actually does to their communities.

I'm surprised the Jihadist got more votes from men than women. Thought that white lib women self-loathing would be way better represented.

 

[Andy Capp]

A small fare isn't as much of a barrier to that as you might think. In my late teens and early 20s I was fairly broke by middle class standards and had to rely on the bus for a time because I didn't have a car. My issue with it was never that it was too expensive, it's that the bus service was bad.

Specifically the low frequencies and the fact that without dedicated lanes and adequate busses they got stuck in traffic and had to take circuitous routes. A ~30-40 min commute turned into a two and a half hour trip, often more because I would miss my connecting bus due to getting stuck in traffic on the first one which meant waiting 30 mins for the next one.

Probably not so your idea is better than Mamdani's. My preference is for minimal bureaucracy though so I don't like to introduce that kind of complexity. Make it simple with one fare for everybody.

Federal and state officials should help cities with public transit but it should mainly be with the initial investment of building it out while the city should be able to maintain the system. That's where fares come in.

Re: "...fairly broke by middle class standards..."

I'm clearly not talking about people who are "fairly broke", but broke broke. It happens. People can find themselves with zero left days before "payday" (often many days before), whatever form that may take--social security, welfare, unemployment insurance, whatever, or even a low-paying job.

And simple? What is simpler than emailing proof of income? Don't they have state-level income taxes, and therefore tax returns? Register online, and pickup or have mailed your "get on the bus free" card; sounds simple to me.

Re: "...the city should be able to maintain the system." Should? Again, this doesn't address your objection to obtaining additional funding from elsewhere so they can give poor people a break. If you're on a subsistence level income, not having to worry about how you will get back and forth to, say, your shitty low-paying job, could be a real help and might even lessen the overall number of "anti-social" people, don't you think?

Instead of a tax cut, a one percent tax increase on income above a certain amount--which no one making a living "by middle class standards" would miss-- in a city/state the size of New York would surely cover a great portion of the lost revenue, I expect.

I'm basically all for any program that helps make poor peoples' daily lives easier and I still don't get why you'd be against this measure.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Well I want NYC to cooperate with ICE on Riker's Island. I have no idea why people are so against getting illegals out straight from prison.

they did their time no?

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

He was born in Uganda, he can't be president.

fuck it, change the rules. also weren't mitt romney and ted cruz born in mexico and canada? they ran. idk enough about zohran's parents.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Re: "...fairly broke by middle class standards..."

I'm clearly not talking about people who are "fairly broke", but broke broke. It happens. People can find themselves with zero left days before "payday" (often many days before), whatever form that may take--social security, welfare, unemployment insurance, whatever, or even a low-paying job.

I don't want to throw a pity party but my family was very, very cash poor at the time, we were just more so a middle class family down on our luck than a case of longstanding poverty. In terms of income we were at the bottom quintile but I didn't worry about gang violence and police brutality like some in the US who experience intergenerational poverty do.

And simple? What is simpler than emailing proof of income? Don't they have state-level income taxes, and therefore tax returns? Register online, and pickup or have mailed your "get on the bus free" card; sounds simple to me.

That could work I think, I'm just telling you my preference. I'll always prefer simplicity. If we're going to use tax returns to send poor people cards I'd rather just send them money.

Re: "...the city should be able to maintain the system." Should? Again, this doesn't address your objection to obtaining additional funding from elsewhere so they can give poor people a break. If you're on a subsistence level income, not having to worry about how you will get back and forth to, say, your shitty low-paying job, could be a real help and might even lessen the overall number of "anti-social" people, don't you think?

No I don't think so.

Instead of a tax cut, a one percent tax increase on income above a certain amount--which no one making a living "by middle class standards" would miss-- in a city/state the size of New York would surely cover a great portion of the lost revenue, I expect.

I'm basically all for any program that helps make poor peoples' daily lives easier and I don't get why you'd be against it, notwithstanding the above comments.

New Yorkers have some have the highest tax rates in the world as is. The money is there, it just needs to be spent more efficiently. When people see their taxes poorly spent they feel reluctant to pay more.

I want to make poor peoples lives easier too but I think a small fare is a fair trade off for a robust transit system.

 

[Scerpi]

Because removing the fee would reduce the revenue of the MTA which desperately needs it. Additionally, I feel that's good to make people pay for certain public services like transit because a minimum fee acts like a filter against anti-social people.

This isn't to say that I think the fees should cover the cost of the system or that it has to be profitable, the fare should be subsidized to make it affordable to take the bus, but making it free would hurt the system as it'd need to be subsidized further from other sources and could invite anti-social people who would make the experience worse for most people.

It already is subsidized... by quite a bit.

But hey... just bleed companies and tax payers more.

 

[Scerpi]

What's wrong with free mass transit? Is there a better way to encourage people to use it rather than driving themselves?

Where's he going to get the money to pay for it? lol... Promising free stuff is like dangling catnip for cats... New York already has the highest tax burden in the US

lol...

Free isn't free, no matter what you communist lunatics think

 

[Islam Imamate]

they did their time no?

Rikers is a jail not a prison so the vast majority of its population are awaiting trial.

Getting rid of illegals in prison is a no brainer since they're convicted criminals. Jail is different but I'm amenable to getting rid of illegals there too depending on the circumstances.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Imo he's a mixed bag. Some really bad leftist policy ideas like rent freeze and state run grocers but he's also hinted at tackling government inefficiency and red tape which is at least partly to blame for the exodus from Northeast cities to Sunbelt states.

Not disagreeing with your overall point but it's worth pointing out that, when it comes to total numbers, NYC is actually growing fairly rapidly

 

[Islam Imamate]

It already is subsidized... by quite a bit.

But hey... just bleed companies and tax payers more.

Yes I know it's subsidized as is but so are roads and no one complains about them, in fact if you try to impose something like congestion pricing many will complain.

That's not to say they couldn't be run better though, I'm critical of how cities like NYC run their public services. Lots of bloat and inefficiency.

 

[Andy Capp]

As it pertains to rich New Yorkers and income taxes, I'll just leave this here and bow out for a bit.

The number of New Yorkers making $1 million or more a year jumped 20% between 2015 and 2018. As de Blasio backs more taxes on the wealthy to ease the pandemic economic crisis, Cuomo warns of a taxpayer exodus.

The number of New Yorkers making $1 million or more a year jumped 20% between 2015 and 2018. As de Blasio backs more taxes on the wealthy to ease the pandemic economic crisis, Cuomo warns of a taxpayer exodus.

www.thecity.nyc

A few key points:

"The top 1% does not comprise only the super-rich, since New Yorkers qualify with incomes of about $900,000 a year. But about half their income comes from dividends, interest and capital gains, meaning they are less tied to the city than those whose money comes almost exclusively from wages at full-time jobs."


"As THE CITY previously reported, the number of New Yorkers making $5 million-plus grew to more than 4,400 in 2018, according to the IBO.

That and the increase in the overall number of millionaires suggest the elimination of unlimited deductions for state and city taxes in the 2017 Republican tax bill— especially income and property taxes — did not result in an immediate rush of the wealthy to states with lower or no income taxes."

Poor Disproportionately Hit​

"But judging the city’s tax system by the income tax alone is misleading, said economist James Parrott of the New School.

He said the combination of income taxes, property taxes and sales taxes leads to “lower-income households paying a higher share of their income in New York City local taxes than high-income households.”

Parrott advocates instituting higher top brackets in the state income tax and restoring state corporate income taxes to the share of total taxes that prevailed a decade or two ago. Business taxes now amount to about $8 billion a year, the same as a decade ago, while total tax collections have jumped by almost a third."