Not Just a Cohencidence (Mueller/Investigation Thread v.20)

[Quequeg]

One voted her conscience despite being a Trump supporter, which is good. I think there are more of her.

Wow, A Trumpster with integrity and a sense of right and wrong, such a surprise!

 

[Quequeg]

Good point. Only poor people are entitled to civil rights.

Absolutely moronic, you should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[waiguoren]

Absolutely moronic

How so?

 

[Rational Poster]

High-quality response. Typical of your post quality.

Because you're so full of shit.

Cohen's attorney issued a statement that even if a pardon is offered by the President his client will not accept it.

Does that sound like something an innocent man would do?

 

[PolishHeadlock]

Good point. Only poor people are entitled to civil rights.

Or you know... poor people can't afford legal representation and are stuck with public defenders making $40k a year

Rich people have resources such as money and a social network that includes competent lawyers.

 

[Quequeg]

How so?

To suggest the poor get a better deal then millionaires in the justice system? The only way to describe such a comment is moronic.

 

[waiguoren]

Cohen's attorney issued a statement that even if a pardon is offered by the President his client will not accept it.

Does that sound like something an innocent man would do?

What? Do you think I believe Cohen is innocent or something? You're confusing me.

 

[Rational Poster]

What? Do you think I believe Cohen is innocent or something? You're confusing me.

You seem to be implying that Cohen plead guilty even though he is innocent.

If he is innocent why would he refuse a pardon when offered?

 

[waiguoren]

Or you know... poor people can't afford legal representation and are stuck with public defenders making $40k a year

Rich people have resources such as money and a social network that includes competent lawyers.

The point was that it often makes sense to plead guilty of a crime even when one is actually innocent of it.

 

[franklinstower]

You're becoming more and more full of shit as this moves along...and we're really just at the beginning. I'm interested to see the progression of your implosion.

This is the most frustrating thing about the entire Trump debacle. He will go down as one the most dishonest politicians to ever serve (if you can call it that) our country. He will go down in history as a disaster but his base will NEVER see it. They will continue to be deluded and wrong, learn nothing from it, and by extension leave the country open to the same shit show in the future. The door has been opened now.

Imagine what a truly qualified, intelligent, and nefariously mentally ill person could do to the country if Trump can get away with this shit.

 

[44nutman]

You seem to be implying that Cohen plead guilty even though he is innocent.

If he is innocent why would he refuse a pardon when offered?

You can’t pardon a guy who pleaded guilty to no crime.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Wow, A Trumpster with integrity and a sense of right and wrong, such a surprise!

I can see supporting him over Hillary prior to the election.

I can't fathom supporting him now though. Some are falling away because they don't have blinders on. Many voted simply to disrupt the normal course of government, by which I mean wanted to see what presidential chaos looked like.

I think they number more than Trump would believe. People you're certain will stay in the deck chair will toss the piña colada away and head for the last lifeboat.

And as they watch the ship crack in half and disappear beneath the waves, they'll shake their heads.


... and say, "Hillary would've been worse."

 

[waiguoren]

You seem to be implying that Cohen plead guilty even though he is innocent.

If he is innocent why would he refuse a pardon when offered?

I wrote the opposite. I think Cohen is guilty of far more than five counts of tax evasion. That would explain why he was so quick to sign the plea agreement.

The point that others were arguing with me about is different. Basically, it's not clear that paying hush money to a mistress is a form of campaign contribution. If it is, how far can you stretch this definition? If Trump had a buddy who gave him a free haircut, and that haircut made him look better on TV, would that be an in-kind campaign contribution? If not, why not?

 

[SaiWa]

The point was that it often makes sense to plead guilty of a crime even when one is actually innocent of it.

Are you implying that Cohen is innocent???

 

[waiguoren]

To suggest the poor get a better deal then millionaires in the justice system? The only way to describe such a comment is moronic.

That's not what I wrote.

My point was that pleading guilty when one is actually innocent is not a contradiction in terms.

 

[waiguoren]

Are you implying that Cohen is innocent???

No. I think he's guilty of far more than the five counts of tax evasion he pleaded guilty to.

 

[waiguoren]

I can see supporting him over Hillary prior to the election.

I can't fathom supporting him now though. Some are falling away because they don't have blinders on. Many voted simply to disrupt the normal course of government, by which I mean wanted to see what presidential chaos looked like.

I think they number more than Trump would believe. People you're certain will stay in the deck chair will toss the piña colada away and head for the last lifeboat.

And as they watch the ship crack in half and disappear beneath the waves, they'll shake their heads.


... and say, "Hillary would've been worse."

Maybe you're just out of touch with America. Trump's most recent poll numbers are close to the highest of his presidency. He's been getting more popular over the past month-plus.

 

[HOLA]

How can Trump's crimes exist if trump doesn't exist?

Waigaruen is Jaden Smith!

 

[Quequeg]

No. I think he's guilty of far more than the five counts of tax evasion he pleaded guilty to.

If Cohen is guilty, so is Trump, he was acting on Trump's behalf.

 

[Tekk]

How can Trump's crimes exist if trump doesn't exist?