North Carolina Sued Over Anti-LGBT Law

[voxom]

So what is it now? Have scientists changed their position? I'm not bothering to research it myself unless I'm getting answers that are too obviously hinged in either direction.

basically, it was in the DSM-IV as a disorder. then the trans people got offended because it characterised trans people as mentally ill. so they lobbied and got it switched to gender dysphoria in DSM-V.

and now they argue 'it's not a mental illness, we actually were born in the wrong body. so you need to respect our wishes, like letting us go int he opposite bathrooms"

http://www.advocate.com/politics/tr...ces-gender-identity-disorder-gender-dysphoria

"For years advocates have lobbied the American Psychiatric Association to change or remove categories labeling transgender people in a psychiatric manual, arguing that terms like “Gender Identity Disorder” characterize all trans people as mentally ill. Based on the standards to be set by the DSM-V, individuals will be diagnosed with Gender Dysphoria for displaying “a marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and assigned gender.”"

“A right-winger can’t go out and say all trans people are mentally ill because if you are not dysphoric, that can’t be diagnosed from afar,” Beyer told the AP. “It no longer matters what your body looks like, what you want to do to it, all of that is irrelevant as far as the APA goes.”

 

[WrestlinganJudo]

So then someone who identifies with a different gender should use the bathroom that matches their appearance or their birth sex?

A person born with a vagina and replaced it with a penis - we want them in the ladies room or the men's room? You're saying you want it in the ladies room so little girls can ask why some person with a beard and a dick is in the same bathroom as her.

I see plenty of analysis that's based on male to female trans but very little thoughts about the female to male versions. I'm saying that I need a better understanding of the science before I can reach a conclusion.

I think by plumbing makes sense. You won't need tampon machines in both and will not need urinals in both.

 

[glennrod]

Welp.

I spotted the closeted gay man.

LOL, haven't heard this in a loooong time!. Sooo, if you are against something, that means you are actually for it?, right?, or does that just suit the gay argument?. Tell me, how do you feel about ISIS?

 

[Dr J]

1. Of course I would feel tricked. But then again, I've never met a transgendered person that didn't disclose to their partners before a relationship started, so this is probably more of a hypothetical imaginary problem than a real problem.

We were on a field trip senior year of high school to Angola State Penitentiary in Louisiana. Our tour guide was taking us around showing us the sites. Pretty nice guy from the impression i got, and I assumed he worked there. He then told us he was a prison trustee currently serving a life sentence for stabbing a tranny after he discovered his package.

Anyways, at the very least, it's not just a hypothetical situation.

 

[voxom]

1. That sucks for your friend. In that case, assuming the woman didn't disclose herself, I would say she probably is a shitty person. I know a few tg's and they would never do something like that.
2. No answer is going to be flawless, but a hypothetical pervert who starts transition so he can stare at people in the locker room shouldn't shut down every reasonable solution.

1.i wasn't asking if all trans people would do that. i was responding to you saying we don't live in a XX and XY wrold anymore. we do. if we didn't, XX's wouldn't care if they were making out with an XX and vise versa. straight XXs don't want o make out with a trans XX no matter how handsome she is. and XY don't want to make out with a trans XY, no matter how pretty he is

2.but how do you differentiate between a guy transitioning and a sexual deviant guy who wears make up to sneak into the girls bathroom to ogle the girls?

 

[Bald1]

I would have no problem with a "genitalia based" restroom/locker room system.

In other words, whether or not you were born with a vagina as a biological female or had one surgically created as a post-op transexual, by all means, feel free to use the same facilities. It only makes sense.

I think the furor arises when the discussion becomes one about a person's "attitude" towards their gender trumping their anatomy.

Coming at it from the other direction, I think it is false equivalency (and demeaning to legitimate, post-op transexual females, for example) to call a male a "trans" when they forego estrogen treatments, wear a bra with falsies, tuck their penis and testicles into their panties, and dress in women's clothing.

When it comes to getting naked in a room together I think it's obvious that plumbing must take precedence over self-perception. Otherwise, you may as well just say that the only truly unbiased or non-prejudicial bathroom or locker room is a uni-sex one.

Agreed. Someone proposed a penis, no penis method of labeling washrooms. Makes sense to me.

 

[Dr J]

A person born with a vagina and replaced it with a penis - we want them in the ladies room or the men's room? You're saying you want it in the ladies room so little girls can ask why some person with a beard and a dick is in the same bathroom as her.

At the expense of having a bearded man with a functioning penis sporting lipstick and high heels in the ladies room--for sure.

 

[dontsnitch]

It is absolutely discrimination, if we are taking gender into account, but we shouldn't be.

This is classic bait-n-switch, as if bathrooms had ever distinguished anything other than biological sex.

 

[WrestlinganJudo]

1. it actually happened to someone that i used to know. they met at a bar and were making out then one thing lead to another and we made fun of him for it. it wasn't a relationship it was a potential drunken one night stand(and no it wasn't in thailand or anything)

I guess the person you knew is guilt of discrimination.

 

[ncordless]

It's not discrimination to tell people that bathroom designation is based on sex.

It is discrimination, thats not even debatable. The question is whether it is permissible discrimination under the equal protection clause..

We know that separate bathrooms for blacks and whites is not permissible. But we also know that gender discrimination is held to a less strict standard than racial discrimination. It's long been at least assumed that "separate but equal" regarding bathrooms that discriminate by gender is okay. Then again, it's obvious than before that there's some animus against transgenders driving the latest series of laws preventing genderless bathrooms.

 

[Dr J]

So what is it now? Have scientists changed their position? I'm not bothering to research it myself unless I'm getting answers that are too obviously hinged in either direction.

Not really. It was called gender identity disorder, and the condition was considered a mental disorder. After being pressured by LGBTQ groups, it was changed to gender dysphoria, where the stress caused by the condition is the mental disorder, not the condition itself.

 

[n...not crazy]

Every square inch of our Country is a battleground.

I would like to see a purely scientific, unbiased study on what transgender people have going on in their brains, and whether or not it is a mental illness. In related news, I would also like to see a flock of flying pigs.

 

[ultramanhyata]

Agreed. Someone proposed a penis, no penis method of labeling washrooms. Makes sense to me.

Here's when the shit will really hit the fan.

When the same young, female SJW's decrying the law in NC as discriminatory are in their college locker room taking a shower together and a "woman" with pecs and a big, swinging dick walks in and starts soaping up beside them. You want to see triggered...

"Be careful what you wish for." - Ken Florian

 

[dontsnitch]

Every square inch of our Country is a battleground.

I would like to see a purely scientific, unbiased study on what transgender people have going on in their brains, and whether or not it is a mental illness. In related news, I would also like to see a flock of flying pigs.

Can you come up with a hypothetical where it's not a mental illness?

 

[K1levelgrappler]

Fuck the entire LGBT movement.

If we're going by the last few decades then Shogun would represent the LGBQ movement and the guy getting stomped would represent social conservatives. You guys sure are good at losing these battles.

 

[DyinHawaiian]

LOL, haven't heard this in a loooong time!

You're obviously not comfortable with peoples' sexuality, including your own.

Why else would you hate LGBT people?

Unless you're either a 12 year-old who's misguided because he considers ''gay'' an insult or a religious zealot.

 

[Bald1]

Here's when the shit will really hit the fan.

When the same young, female SJW's decrying the law in NC as discriminatory are in their college locker room taking a shower together and a "woman" with pecs and a big, swinging dick walks in and starts soaping up beside them. You want to see triggered...

"Be careful what you wish for." - Ken Florian

If I was a father to one of those girls I definitely would be triggered.

Not really. It was called gender identity disorder, and the condition was considered a mental disorder. After being pressured by LGBTQ groups, it was changed to gender dysphoria, where the stress caused by the condition is the mental disorder, not the condition itself.

Aren't words fun? Sounds like high caliber mental gymnastics on display.

 

[glennrod]

You're obviously not comfortable with peoples' sexuality, including your own.

Why else would you hate LGBT people?

Unless you're either a 12 year-old who's misguided because he considers ''gay'' an insult or a religious zealot.

Nice dodge, ISIS boy..i don't hate gay people, or trans people, I pity trans people because they are severely fucked in the head...I hate the political groups of bullies that cry and cry and cry...about everything. fuck them, same goes for BLM and the rest of the crybaby bitches that DESERVE to have been born 100 years earlier..you know, like in a time when there was real oppression?

 

[Dr J]

It is discrimination, thats not even debatable. The question is whether it is permissible discrimination under the equal protection clause..

We know that separate bathrooms for blacks and whites is not permissible. But we also know that gender discrimination is held to a less strict standard than racial discrimination. It's long been at least assumed that "separate but equal" regarding bathrooms that discriminate by gender is okay. Then again, it's obvious than before that there's some animus against transgenders driving the latest series of laws preventing genderless bathrooms.

If you're saying that the concept of separating by sex is discrimination, then fine--all bathrooms and locker rooms are now unisex. While we're at it, let's get rid of the WNBA, LPGA, and set up a bout between Rousey and Renan Barao.

The notion of gender discrimination is absurd to me, though, especially since the definition of gender seems to be changed every decade. Not only are people allowed to dress and act as they please (non-violently, of course); but now society is being forced to play along with the delusion. It's now discriminatory to separate bathrooms by sex but not by the gender of ones choosing?

 

[ripskater]

Laid out like that, it makes for a pretty good case for gender discrimination.

Only in a world devoid of common sense.