No more Mattis soon.

Jesus. We are the reason there is chaos in Syria! We still don't have a clue what the F our goal is. We are supposedly fighting ISIS but so is Assad and the Russians. At least they were smart enough to not arm these barbarians

Let them handle it. IT'S NOT OUR BUSINESS!

LOFL! So you hate Bolton but also hate pulling out of Syria

You can't be pleased brother
The fact that you think this is a black/white sorta issue that doesn't have a grayscale to it shows how little you get this.

When we help destabilize and area and proceed to keep giving bombs with "made in America" on the side of them and then pull out and go "oh, your problem now"... it's akin to pumping a crack addicted baby into a mother without sticking around to help with child support.
 
Son of a fucking bitch

He sounded like the only one keeping us from going toe to toe with Russia in Syria

Damnit. He was a respectable man Trump actually listened to, and now he'll be replaced by some yes man I fear. Fuck up the middle east and sacrifice American lives here we come

Mattis was wanting to stay in syria and bought the line that Russia is semi bad.
holy shit! mattis went out with fire.


doesnt seem like a big deal. he said he agreed with Trump on not being world police. he isnt a hawk. but he is wrong on china and russia.
 
Great, can’t wait to see which 8th round draft pick takes the position. It’s blatantly obvious the ship is being abandoned at an unprecedented rate and at this point, nobody with any real career prospects in politics is touching this dumpster fire of an administration.
 
doesnt seem like a big deal. he said he agreed with Trump on not being world police. he isnt a hawk. but he is wrong on china and russia.
You suffer from the American public school system with shit tier reading comprehension.

The line about "you deserve a SecDef more inline with your ideals" or however Mad Dog put it is basically in plain English "I'm tired of you throwing a fucking tantrum every time you disagree with something I say coming from 40 years of experience in the area"


Get fuckt.
 
The fact that you think this is a black/white sorta issue that doesn't have a grayscale to it shows how little you get this.

When we help destabilize and area and proceed to keep giving bombs with "made in America" on the side of them and then pull out and go "oh, your problem now"... it's akin to pumping a crack addicted baby into a mother without sticking around to help with child support.
Let's just see what tune a lot of these guys are singing when Bolton gets his wish and we light up Iran
 
Let's just see what tune a lot of these guys are singing when Bolton gets his wish and we light up Iran
It'll be Iran or NK we bomb first. My money is on NK cause Bolton will want a "win" for his first war.

I expect my selective service letter telling me to report to arrive in 2 years.
 
Still better then Hillary! Duuurrrr...

<Kpop775>
 
Btw that letter is a huge fuck you without actually saying fuck you to Trump. He slammed him for disrespecting allies and turning a blind eye to dangerous authoritarians.
 
Of all the cabinet shuffles this is the one I feared the most.

Mattis was our best bet not to get dragged into some new conflict and to finally get DOD on track with budget and appropriate restructuring to meet new threats.

With Bolton and others in charge I am a bit nervous.
Certainly looks like 2019 will be the craziest year since 2001. At home and abroad.
 
Btw that letter is a huge fuck you without actually saying fuck you to Trump. He slammed him for disrespecting allies and turning a blind eye to dangerous authoritarians.
That's the politest "you're a fucking dumbshit and are pissing in your bed and wondering why you smell like shit" letter I've ever read.
 
That's the politest "you're a fucking dumbshit and are pissing in your bed and wondering why you smell like shit" letter I've ever read.
lol! Me too. Basically told Trump he didn't know shit either.
 
To be clear, defense secretary just quit, the markets are tanking and a government shutdown is likely and every aspect of Trumps life is under investigation.

Is this the MAGA we were promised?
 
Why would he want the US to stay involved in Syria or remain in Afghanistan with only stalemate and more death? It doesn't make sense.


"What we’re looking for is the enduring defeat of ISIS, a reinvigorated and irreversible political process in Syria led by the Syrian people and facilitated by the UN, and de-escalation of the conflict that will include all Iranian-commanded forces departing from the entirety of Syria...Other than fighting that we are leading with our SDF allies along the Euphrates River against ISIS, there’s a relative ceasefire in Syria today, but the conflict is, alas, not over and there are still dangers. There are five outside forces – U.S., Iranian, Turkish, Russian, and at times Israeli Air Force units – involved in Syria for important, or in several cases of the neighbors, existential interests. And as we saw with the recent shoot-down of a Russian IL-20 military aircraft, the danger of escalation is ever present, including between various national actors, not just with subnational actors of which there are many there, including very dangerous groups such as Hizballah, ISIS, and al-Qaida, al-Nusrah offshoots.

Taking the first goal, the enduring defeat of ISIS, we have a coalition of some 79 countries involved in the conflict, primarily with its focus on Iraq and Syria. The last conventional fighting, as I said, is now along the Euphrates. In Syria it’s being led by America’s partners in this conflict, the Syrian Democratic Forces, as well as American military personnel. The fight is continuing, and we hope that it will be over in a few months and that will be the last of ISIS’s terrain that it holds in a quasi-conventional way.

At the same time, military presence, while it is – has one mission, which is the defeat of ISIS, indirectly supports, through secondary effects, other goals. It, in its work with our partners, indirectly helps affect Iran’s malign activities, and by our presence and by our commitment to security in Syria and in the region, we demonstrate an interest in achieving a political solution by the various ways that we have, not just diplomatic but security and military, through economic tools and other assets that we have and that we’re deploying in this conflict.

We also think that you cannot have an enduring defeat of ISIS until you have fundamental change in the Syrian regime and fundamental change in Iran’s role in Syria, which contributed greatly to the rise of ISIS in the first place in 2013, 2014.

Our second goal is the de-escalation of the conflict, building on the ceasefires right now. Particularly important is the agreement that the Turks worked out with the Russians in – over Idlib back at the end of September in which the Russians – again in a summit meeting with the leaders of France, Turkey, and Germany on the 27th of October – agreed would be a lasting ceasefire.

We’ll try to hold the Russians to their words. This is very important because from that flows the ability to build on these ceasefires that are somewhat ad hoc right now throughout the country into the sort of ceasefires called for in the relevant UN Resolution 2254 of December 2015 which calls for eventually a nationwide ceasefire and the UN special envoy for Syria to move forward on a whole procedure to ensure the maintenance of these ceasefires as an important step towards peace.

So that is the de-escalation component. Eventually that can lead to the withdrawal of all military forces that have entered since the beginning of the conflict in 2011. That would importantly include, as I mentioned earlier, a goal of all Iranian-commanded forces.

The third element in this is the political process. This, again, is under the UN Resolution 2254. And the first step right now is the convening under UN auspices a committee to begin work on the Syrian constitution. This is a critical step towards reinvigorating the political process. Our goal – which, again, was supported by Russia, France, Germany, and Turkey, and agreed in the October 27th Istanbul communique – is to establish this constitutional committee by the end of the year. We will hold Russia to account for its commitment to convene the constitutional committee by then, and we expect it to use its influence to bring the Damascus regime to the table.

Based upon these three elements, we hope to see a process, again, as outlined – as laid out in that UN Security Council resolution, moving forward to encourage all of the actors in Syria to achieve a basic security system that will end the fighting permanently, produce a Syrian regime that is not as toxic as the current one is to its own people and to the neighborhood, and secure satisfactory guarantees for all of the players in and around Syria.

This conflict – as you all know, because you’ve been following it since 2011 – has had horrific consequences – first, for the Syrian people. The UN special envoy estimates over 400,000 killed, almost 200,000 incarcerated, almost 100,000 disappeared in one or another form, and tens of thousands tortured. The conflict has given rise to ISIS and its huge wave of violence over Iraq, Syria, and on into Turkey and into Europe. It has also led to the huge outflow of refugees which has impacted three neighboring countries dramatically – Turkey, Lebanon, and Jordan – and had important negative political effects on Europe.

This is a conflict that for many reasons we all have to put every effort possible into resolving. That’s what this administration is committed to."

Special Briefing
James F. Jeffrey
Special Representative for Syria Engagement
Washington, DC
November 14, 2018

https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2018/11/287368.htm
 
He has John Bolton in his goddamn cabinet. Too late... if it were up to that guy Delta Force would still be in Mogadishu fighting over a downed helicopter.


That resignation letter.


Mad Dog 2020. DO IT.

I'd support him.

He has actual experience doing high level shit.
 
The fact that you think this is a black/white sorta issue that doesn't have a grayscale to it shows how little you get this.

When we help destabilize and area and proceed to keep giving bombs with "made in America" on the side of them and then pull out and go "oh, your problem now"... it's akin to pumping a crack addicted baby into a mother without sticking around to help with child support.

They don't want our help. We've helped destroy the country and have been asked to leave numerous times

We are not helping by staying
 
They don't want our help. We've helped destroy the country and have been asked to leave numerous times

We are not helping by staying
And it'll be worse when we leave.

The Iraqis wanted us to leave too.....
 
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