No more Mattis soon.

[hillelslovak87]

You really think Cash was for illegal occupation and endless War?

Hell, you notice even the bright liberals are no where to be found in here

Like I said. Occupation and endless war brings the worst out on both sides

I think he was referring to your general retardation, not Johnny Cash' opinions on geopolitics.

But Gregolian was right, you're a fucking idiot, and among you are zero bright people, left or right.

He made a simple, yet effective and sound point about Hitler, and you rail off in this stupid shit that completely misses his point. Gregolian's point about Hitler not listening to his military counsel has been borne out by history.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

I'm not a fan of the military industrial complex. I have no gripes with these moves.

I sure as hell hope there isn't a plan to divert the military to attack Iran in a Wag the Dog scenario if the Mueller investigation gets too hot. Highly unlikely, but if something like that did happen, I don't know how I'd feel if someone JFK'd Dolan.

 

[gatchaman]

Sincere arguments for an American military dictatorship to keep the Syrian war going in the name of world peace would be the cherry on top of this delicious thread.

 

[BearGrounds]

So, he should just stay the course no matter what?
What is the point in which you're supposed to say enough is enough? It's not on Mattis to reign in the president. And he obviously found that he was no longer able to do that if he is resigning now.
Mattis staying the course only continues to give legitimacy to Trump's idiocy.

This is why we're supposed to have a system of checks and balances--it is up to the spineless Republican Senators and Congress to check Trump, not the guy that Trump hired.

I would argue that it's better than taking his ball and going home.

All he does by resigning is open the door for someone worse to fill his position. Trump detractors should disapprove of this move on said grounds alone.

 

[Fawlty]

Weird and probably desperate deflection going on here, where all of a sudden liberals are cast as warmongers for either finding this circumstance funny, showing some preference for the leadership of Mattis over Trump in this area, or not liking Trump's plan of radical draw-down of troops.

The worst bit was SBJJ embarrassing himself yet again by somehow forgetting that Trump hired Bolton before he slung accusations of anti-Trump people being like Bolton. I mean fuck, man, at least we didn't just hire the guy. I would definitely be too ashamed to post for a while if I said something that unbelievably stupid.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

I would argue that it's better than taking his ball and going home.

All he does by resigning is open the door for someone worse to fill his position. Trump detractors should disapprove of this move on said grounds alone.

But this ignores that Mattis doesnt actually have any power over Trump. And that him staying only enables and helps give Trump credibility.
Things may have to get worse before they get better.

If someone worse does come along then that should hopefully force the Senate and House to do their jobs and check the executive branch.
Mattis is just a bandaid on a tumor.

 

[Joe]

 

[InternetHero]

I would argue that it's better than taking his ball and going home.

All he does by resigning is open the door for someone worse to fill his position. Trump detractors should disapprove of this move on said grounds alone.

That's a weird backwards logic.

With all the mounting criticism form the right and center, maybe the POTUS should take his ball and go home?

Or another logical test.

Me: "My boss sucks and does the wrong things."

Supporter of boss: "Yeah, you better double down on what the boss says or he might hire someone not as good as you and do an even worse job."

Oh no.

 

[Strychnine]

Of all the cabinet shuffles this is the one I feared the most.

Mattis was our best bet not to get dragged into some new conflict and to finally get DOD on track with budget and appropriate restructuring to meet new threats.

With Bolton and others in charge I am a bit nervous.

Gen. Kelly and Gen. Mattis made a pact when they took on their posts at the W.H. to always have one of them with the President. He was not to be without one of them either when he was stateside or overseas. Now that they're both gone, I'm much more worried about our global affairs than ever.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

Sincere arguments for an American military dictatorship to keep the Syrian war going in the name of world peace would be the cherry on top of this delicious thread.

Yep. Can't afford good health care, or lower tuition but can afford chilling with Al-Qaeda and a dozen other dubious groups in Syria.

Go figure.

 

[Strychnine]

I'm in the IRR, return to Captain here I come...

I have one year left on my inactive reserve after I retired...

*UCK.

 

[panamaican]

I would argue that it's better than taking his ball and going home.

All he does by resigning is open the door for someone worse to fill his position. Trump detractors should disapprove of this move on said grounds alone.

Maybe but if his credibility is being sacrificed here, I don't think he has any choice. If he's having private conversations with POTUS and then telling world leaders the WH position based on that then he's got problems if POTUS unilaterally changes course without giving him a heads up so he can prepare those world leaders for a change. Especially if he's been tasked with handling any blowback from these changes.

 

[BearGrounds]

But this ignores that Mattis doesnt actually have any power over Trump. And that him staying only enables and helps give Trump credibility.
Things may have to get worse before they get better.

If someone worse does come along then that should hopefully force the Senate and House to do their jobs and check the executive branch.
Mattis is just a bandaid on a tumor.

He doesn't have to have power over him to continue serving as an in house voice of reason, as best he can. By resigning he just removes his potential influence altogether, and allows Trump to replace him with a yes man, or worse yet, a poisonous voice of bad policy.

That's a weird backwards logic.

With all the mounting criticism form the right and center, maybe the POTUS should take his ball and go home?

Or another logical test.

Me: "My boss sucks and does the wrong things."

Supporter of boss: "Yeah, you better double down on what the boss says or he might hire someone not as good as you and do an even worse job."

Oh no.

He's not working on some random construction site, he's in an advisory role for POTUS.

 

[BearGrounds]

Maybe but if his credibility is being sacrificed here, I don't think he has any choice. If he's having private conversations with POTUS and then telling world leaders the WH position based on that then he's got problems if POTUS unilaterally changes course without giving him a heads up so he can prepare those world leaders for a change. Especially if he's been tasked with handling any blowback from these changes.

Perhaps he might want to care less about his perceived credibility (if such is the case) and more about the US as a whole. And as I see it, this move doesn't really do his credibility any favors anyway, except if you're in the Trump detractor crowd and somehow see this as a way in which to further bag on the POTUS.

Either you think this resignation is good for the US, or you don't. Which is it?

 

[SiKnSiN]

I've agreed with Mattis in some cases, and disagreed on others. Either way, he's someone I respected. The way he is admired by those who have served with and under him tells you a lot about the man.

And I agree we should pull out of Syria (should have never been there in the first place), but I can understand why Mattis wanted to stay. We are mostly there training and working with the Kurds, and Mattis isn't the type to agree with screwing over an ally we have fought with.....yet again.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Fuck Mattis. He is apparently that sane hawk who has been keeping us from leaving Syria. Mattis is wrong, dumb, and I question his motivations for opposing leaving Syria.

 

[ocfightfan]

That's too bad. I really liked Mattis.

 

[Seaside]

Gen. Kelly and Gen. Mattis made a pact when they took on their posts at the W.H. to always have one of them with the President. He was not to be without one of them either when he was stateside or overseas. Now that they're both gone, I'm much more worried about our global affairs than ever.

Lol what a lie.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

We live in a Bizzaro World when people who pretend to be on the left are attacking Trump from the right, fawning over a Marine General, and acting scared to be ending our military engagement in Syria. Same people only started to give a shit about what is happening in Yemen after KSA killed a journalist and supported Hillary Clinton, who voted for the Iraq War and supported our intervention in Libya.

 

[Throttlehead]

In the middle of all these highly important issues and decisions, he had time to post this. Kind of tells you where his head is. Its real BTW.