No Gi

Discussion in 'Gear & Equipment Discussion' started by MUAYTHAIJOE, Jul 14, 2005.

  1. MUAYTHAIJOE

    MUAYTHAIJOE Guest

    does this company have a website?

    what are some north american online stores that carry their gear?

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    the brand that Vitor Belfort wears.

    I went to www.nogi.com and it didnt seem like it was the stuff I was looking for (no mention of Vitor)
     
  2. Fightgear UK

    Fightgear UK Leading European Fightwear Specialists

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    NoGi are two companies; one is Brazilian and one is American. Both dispute the 'brand' Nogi and so, currently the NoGi you are looking for is not for sale in the US. The Brazilian website for them is www.nogi.com.br we are dealers for Brazilian NoGi in the UK. Its a shame they can't just come to some kind of amicable agreement as the Brazilian company is by far the one with the greatest international profile. Both companies make great gear but are divided by a common name.
     
  3. Adino

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    Try the search function (seriously, not sarcasm intended) alot of people have posted this same topic and I think the info you need is there :wink:

    Still a good question though.
     
  4. Fozzy1

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    SEARCH FUNCTION!!!!!!!!!!!1

    NoGi was originally created by Chris Brennan years ago.... this brazilian company is stealing their name, and thus it is illegal....

    ~FOz
     
  5. Fightgear UK

    Fightgear UK Leading European Fightwear Specialists

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    Fozzy for once I have to disagree with you. Hundreds and hundreds (actually, more probably many thousands) of companies exist in different countries with the same name. It's natural. The guy who runs NoGi is a decent guy and is a from a legal background. He has invested tens of thousands of dollars in the business and the sport (sponsorships and events). We wouldn't touch Brazilian NoGi if it was a rip off merchant be assured. In the UK we are one of three 'Fightgear' and all are related to some extent to martial arts/sports. But we co-exist. We have the largest profile and could kick up at other users of the name but why should we do this? Maybe the key is for them to clarify by becoming NoGi-Brazil and NoGi USA. One thing is pretty certain (considering that the Brazilian company has the highest profile) more people have visited the USA site on the back of the Brazilian brand than the other way around.
    The products are totally different the logo are different neither company is (to use a legal term) 'Passing Off' (i.e. making people believe it is the other companies product). For it to be illegal it would have to satisfy these issues.
    I think NoGi is a superb brand. From my experience the company is reliable and their products are high quality and well designed. I have no doubts that the US NoGi has the same level of quality and innovation.
     
  6. Soid

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    come on man, nogi is such a common name used in bjj.
     
  7. Fightgear UK

    Fightgear UK Leading European Fightwear Specialists

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    Actually, as one of my Brazilian friends just reminded me, about ten years ago there was a Brazilian Luta Livre club that was called NoGi and a lot of their fighters wore t-shirts with the name on the back. That's probably not related to the current Brazilian NoGi but I think there was a video available of a Vale Tudo event back in either Rio or Sao Paulo with some of their guys in it. Mind, that was a looooong time ago, I vaguely remember that there was a riot at the event.
     
  8. Fozzy1

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    We will have to disagree. I just don't like how it's hurting Chris Brennan's company. Thats all. I have nothing against the products.

    and soid

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    ~Foz
     
  9. Terrier

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    I haven't heard from him that there's been any drop in sales to hurt him at all since the brazilain NoGi started up?
     
  10. Fightgear UK

    Fightgear UK Leading European Fightwear Specialists

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    Fozzy: I understand and respect your loyalty but my guess is that it is giving him more hits that ever before. His key is to convert them into sales. Ultimately it is the popularity that will make the case. I know the owner of Brazilian NoGi has a fair amount of money behind him and he is pretty adament. I'm not sure what the Brazilian NoGi's attutude to sales in the US is but I do know he is involved in organising some events and sponsoring. From what I've heard the NoGi trademark is banked in a number of countries except the USA so that, plus the leverage of popularity and money means that the chances of a positive outcome are pretty slim.
    As you say Fozzy and with the greatest of respect, we have to agree to differ on this one!
     
  11. naskwon14g

    naskwon14g www.fightway.fr

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    It's been the same shit with Gameness.
    Those fuckin' brazilians are thieves. That's all. They make money on someone else's property.

    How can these guys have never heard about the Chris Brennan's original Nogi brand? It exists since 2 or 3 years now. The MMA market is not that big. C'mon!!!

    It's obvious that the "nogi" name is pretty marketable. It's short, easy to remember and internationally recognizable.

    I wouldn't be surprized that the brazilian Nogi products were weak quality. Like the BGG products are so shitty and miles and miles away from original Gameness products quality.

    And one last thing. Those brazilian Nogi guys make gis!!! C'MON!!! THE BRAND NAME IS NOGI!!! That supposes it's a grappling no-gi wear brand!

    It's like calling a car "bicycle"!!! Fuckin' idiots!
     
  12. Fightgear UK

    Fightgear UK Leading European Fightwear Specialists

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    Naskwon. With all due respect. It is NOTHING like the situation with Gameness and BGG. We support Gameness and are even working with them to prevent BGG selling 'replica' goods. If you are going to make a criticism make a valid one. Gameness make Gi, BGG make gi. They use the same design, the same name, the same logo. They are 'passing off' (i.e. making people believe the companies are the same).
    Take a look at the NoGi websites and see what copies you see. Nothing remotely similar so why are they fake? More people have heard and seen the Brazilian brand than the US brand.
    The companies have different products and different logo/trademark. Believe me, if it was a case of fake goods we would not support them.
    Try asking Ed or Tim or Regina Clay of Gameness how strong I am on this subject and you will see that I wouldn't touch them if it was the case.
    These are two totally different companies with different products. I cannot imagine why the owner of NoGi would want to ride on the American NoGi back as it would have been as easy and less problematic to have created a new brand.
    There are two sides to each argument.
    And as an adjunct, we have not had one complaint about the quality of the NoGi goods. Not one problem and we have sold thousands of dollars worth of the gear. We have had lots of positive feedback on it.
    Bear in mind, I don't work for NoGi I sell it. If it was crap I wouldn't sell it. If it was fake I wouldn't sell it. If we get a request for a sale to the USA, we pass them on to the Brazilian NoGi for two reasons; 1) we don't think it is fair to sell to the USA when this dispute is ongoing and 2) because it is going to be massively expensive for the customer if we ship an item to the USA.
    If the US and Brazilian NoGi have a problem with each other it will be sorted in courts of law but bearing in mind the owner of NoGi in Brazil is from a legal background (I believe he is a lawyer) then I would presume he knows his stuff.
     
  13. Gsoares**

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    Im all for it, Im not so bent on who is who in the name category.....I just want the best product possible if someone can offer it under the same name so be it.

    As always this should be about the consumer.
     
  14. 586machine

    586machine Always Be Closing

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    stfu.
     
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    The fact that the Brazilian Nogi guy has a some legal knowledge makes it even worst. Based on his knowledge, he knows that it is time consuming and costly for a small company to try and protect their trademark internationally.

    Further, Nogi Brazil is a presence in the US market. Therefore, they are creating confusion.

    Finally it does not matter if Nogi Brazil doesn't copy logos or make shitty product. The point is that they stole the name of an established company.

    By your reasoning if I make quality products, don't copy anyone, and have a "legal background", then it would be perfectly OK if I started Tapout Brazil.
     
  16. Fightgear UK

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    Sorry 586machine but your argument is purile. Firstly, you are presuming that the owner of NoGi made a deliberate attempt to steal the brand name. Show me how you know this?I've already said there was a club in Rio or Sao Paulo called NoGi back in the 1990's - how do you know it is not affiated to that? The thing is you don't and I don't know whether the owner did deliberately take the name NoGi. The fact that he has a legal background was included to demonstrate that he is not a country bumkin - he is aware of the legal ramifications. Thirdly, take a step back. What harm has he done NoGi USA? I would put strong money on the fact he has increased the hit counter a hell of a lot more than the US NoGi has positively effected the Brazilian site.
    Just to satisfy my curiosity, we emailed the owner of NoGi and asked him about incorporation dates and when the brand was developed.
    I have absolutely no axe to grind either way. If Brazilian NoGi was called anything I would still sell it because I believe in the product.
    On this site for many months people have laid in to NoGi without anyone standing their corner. I am simply putting a side of the argument that I perceive as being a viable perspective.
     
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    I know this is a technicality, but I believe that the Brazilian version is actually 2 words: No Gi. If that is the case, it would make it pretty difficult to go after them legally.

    I personally would not buy the Brazilian version though. Not that there's anything wrong with the product, but if I buy anything that says Nogi it's going to be Chris Brennan's brand.
     
  18. TimPlu

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    i ordered the brazilian no gi shorts about a week ago. anyways, i'm on this forum pretty often and i see more people wanting the brazilian brand rather than the american brand. imho i like the brazilian brand better due to the fact that they are more eye appealing and the designs are better. like i said, it's just my opinion.
     
  19. JimmyEatsPoo

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    1) A "fight team" and a clothing line are 2 waaaaay different things.
    Technically...I could legally start a company in the US called "Nike Cars" as long as it isn't on any clothes.

    2) Both companies sell sportswear aimed at the MMA market. Different designs or not.

    3) By terms of "promotions" and "more widely known name" just means that the brasil company had that much more money to dump. I'm sure if the US company had a few hundred-thou to spare, they'd be out dropping cash on top of big names like Belfort and throwing tournaments.
    Just because they have cash...doesn't give them the right to stomp on the little guy.
     
  20. naskwon14g

    naskwon14g www.fightway.fr

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    Roy,

    U just do great job, I use to browse your excellent website and know how much you care about the MMA business.

    My point was not that Nogi brazil does fakes but that they use A NAME that someone already carries and legally owns.

    Could I carry the NIKE name even if I put the name on some clothes that don't look the same at all than Nike's products? Even if I don't use the swoosh logo...? I don't think so.

    And you know my point. Nogi brazil uses a name that has been used for couple of years now by Chris Brennan who is a pretty well known pro fighters. How can it be possible that those brazilians did not know about the Brennan's Nogi brand?

    Plus, you have to agree that the Brennan's products have a really nice original design. This is not exactly the case with the brazilian Nogi.

    Anyway, I feel sorry for Chris and hope this whole thing won't affect too much his company.
     

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