Economy New York Giving Illegal Immigrants up to $15,600 While Citizens Only got $2k Total

Should illegal immigrants get Covid-19 payments?

  • No

    Votes: 132 84.1%

  • Yes, the full amount promised in New York, even if it's more than citizens get

    Votes: 13 8.3%

  • Yes, but it should be the same that American citizens get

    Votes: 10 6.4%

  • Yes, but it should be less than American citizens get

    Votes: 2 1.3%
  • Total voters
    157
Andy Capp said:
lmao take this sad attempt at starting shit to the off topic thread, loser.

Got anything relevant to say about the thread topic? I mean, you never do, but there's a first time for everything, bitch tits
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I mean he does have a point. You can practically cut the tension with a knife.
 
Jackie Blue said:
There's always more to the story, but that's more of a side quest than a main mission in the story. The bottom line is that American citizens only got $2k, even less than they were promised, while illegals are getting more than $15k in some cases. Personally, I think they should get nothing. That's the price they pay for coming in illegally. They should consider themselves lucky they haven't been deported yet. At a bare minimum, they should not get MORE than American citizens. That's absolutely ridiculous. It makes our country look like a joke.
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Wonder how the natives felt about your ancestors coming here lol. The hyprocry is out of control on these forums.

I think they should be treated no different from us because nationalism is stupid and dangerous.
 
This is obviously going to be incredibly unpopular, but I can see some compelling arguments for doing it beyond the humanitarian, which I'm sure for a lot of people isn't even a consideration.

You're talking about a segment of the population that's vital to the economy. Many of them keep their heads down and work jobs nobody else wants to, stimulating local economies and paying substantial sales tax dollars while collecting absolutely no benefits.

From a safety perspective you have people who aren't going to leave and are going to have to live, which leaves crime as the only alternative if their income vanishes and isn't replaced.

It's easy to say "they can just get the hell out then" but realistically, is that really going to happen? Some might but I imagine there will be those staying and doing whatever they have to do to feed their families.

This might turn out to be a smart play for the country but for SURE it's political death, so Republicans should be dancing in the streets and breaking out the champagne. There's no way to sell this to the public; Democrats are going to get creamed in the midterms.
 
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Streeter said:
You have to draw a line somewhere. If your just going to give immigrants legal or illegal the same privileges than what's the point of being a citizen.
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So you can stand in an immigration line at JFK for over an hour, get interrogated by an immigration official, then claim your baggage, pass through customs, and then finally enter the borough of Queens, where every other person is an undocumented immigrant.
 
Jackie Blue said:
{<huh}

He hasn't parroted anything from me in this thread. If anything, he's been harshly criticizing me in this thread, although to be fair, some of it was warranted.
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Not you. Although, your confusion is understandable. I only call JVS "Jackie". Your pet name shall be...Sasha.
 
Jack V Savage said:
Apparently it's a "deflection" to point out that the factual basis of a thread is factually inaccurate. Deflects from the emotional truth, I guess?
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Not at all. You're acting like every citizen got more than that, when they didn't. Not to mention that every citizen should be mad that illegals are gonna get up to $15,000 right now, when legal citizens are getting less and less.

You're doing your whole "blot out the sun" routine(because you know the core issue is indefensible), as if people give a shit about the nuance about the amount of free money "illegal immigrants" are gonna get, while legal citizens continue struggle as their government tells them it's too hard to help them all. Meanwhile, people who shouldn't even be in the country are getting $15,000.

Tell me, Jackie, do you actually support this nonsense? No deflections. Do you actually think this is a good move in general?
 
HereticBD said:
Not at all. You're acting like every citizen got more than that, when they didn't.
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I'm acting like the truth is what the truth is. Unauthorized immigrants didn't get the benefits that citizens do and many have suffered also. So NY is making some portion of the benefits available to them. Some people are mad about that, which is whatever, but the claim that they're getting *more* than citizens is false.
 
Jack V Savage said:
I'm acting like the truth is what the truth is. Unauthorized immigrants didn't get the benefits that citizens do and many have suffered also.
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They're illegal though. Why is anyone supposed to care about criminals struggling?

So NY is making some portion of the benefits available to them. Some people are mad about that, which is whatever, but the claim that they're getting *more* than citizens is false.
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You have a bad habit of not answering uncomfortable questions. Do you support it, or not? A simple "yes" or "no" will suffice.
 
Mcountry said:
Just wait until the reparations talks ramp up! That's gonna be swell! Or mass of white people losing their jobs because they are white...and the companies need representation. Wait till that shit kicks in.

Certain to bring unity and peace and prosperity!
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But yelling and demeaning isn’t what we are about. Yes the left is mostly insane; but copying their bad parts won’t win is anyone over. Act like you’re trying to win just one person over.
 
HereticBD said:
They're illegal though. Why is anyone supposed to care about criminals struggling?

You have a bad habit of not answering uncomfortable questions. Do you support it, or not? A simple "yes" or "no" will suffice.
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I don't imagine you can relate, but my interest here was pointing out a factual inaccuracy, which I think people should oppose regardless of their positions on issues (so no question is uncomfortable to me). Whether one supports or opposes the policy, they should agree to tell the truth about it.
 
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Undocumented immigrants have gone through a lot more struggle and discrimination compared to wh*te Americans, so they should absolutely get a lot more support to make it fair. They contribute a lot more to the economy and the culture of this country than random Kyles and Blakes from the suburbs. Foundational Black Americans deserve compensation as well, it is important to remember who built this country #ogun
 
Jackie Blue said:
:eek::eek::eek::eek:philia rings are not a core principle for Democrats or the left either, but doesn't stop QAnon and tons of right wingers from play acting like it is and making baseless accusations, even though so far it's only been their representatives who've been charged with sex trafficking minors. Wake me up when the Democratic Party platform advocates for open borders and giving illegal immigrants more benefits than citizens. It's not a core principle, these Democrats in NY just made a dumb decision and people like me from the left should speak out against it as well as people from across the political spectrum. But you'd rather take shots at me and anyone from the left who's against this than work together and find common ground.
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He is just a grifter
 
Wadtucket said:
Undocumented immigrants have gone through a lot more struggle and discrimination compared to wh*te Americans, so they should absolutely get a lot more support to make it fair. They contribute a lot more to the economy and the culture of this country than random Kyles and Blakes from the suburbs. Foundational Black Americans deserve compensation as well, it is important to remember who built this country #ogun
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Interesting. They can't give my people any money because of reasons pulled out of thin air but undocumented immigrants can get 15k just for saying they lost work.

I have no beef with immigrants but this is bullshit lol. Everyone should be getting it if they lost work, in this case.
 
Wadtucket said:
Undocumented immigrants have gone through a lot more struggle and discrimination compared to wh*te Americans, so they should absolutely get a lot more support to make it fair. They contribute a lot more to the economy and the culture of this country than random Kyles and Blakes from the suburbs. Foundational Black Americans deserve compensation as well, it is important to remember who built this country #ogun
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FBA isn't getting shit, even though we're the community suffering the most economically from covid lol
 
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