New UFC Rankings Out: Cormier not on top 15 P4P

born2killl said:
well no its not about 15-0 record or winning 500 rounds in a row, or olympic yadda yadda. its merely about WHO you beat. You can be top P4P fighter if youre record 7-7, if you happen to beat a P4P top fighter; you have a claim to be in the spot. But you have no claim to be P4P if the guy you beat is no relevance in p4p or the division. Those wins gets you kudos, but not P4P kudos

IE: In order to make the case Cormier is P4P top 10 fighter, you have to explain why the current 10 P4Ps have done less than beat hendo.
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It's not top 10, it's top 15 P4P. Cormier has beaten 4 out of the top 10 fighters in the weight class above his and has just dominated a credible opponent in his new weight class.

Can you name any other fighter in history who has beaten 4 out of the top 10 in the weight class above theirs?
 
born2killl said:
well no its not about 15-0 record or winning 500 rounds in a row, or olympic yadda yadda. its merely about WHO you beat. You can be top P4P fighter if youre record 7-7, if you happen to beat a P4P top fighter; you have a claim to be in the spot. But you have no claim to be P4P if the guy you beat is no relevance in p4p or the division. Those wins gets you kudos, but not P4P kudos

IE: In order to make the case Cormier is P4P top 10 fighter, you have to explain why the current 10 P4Ps have done less than beat hendo.
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No it isn't, that is what divisional rankings are for. P4p includes that and also overall skill, strength of schedule, hell even a eye test. P4p is not strictly about record.

Gilbert Melendez
 
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Zurvan said:
It's not top 10, it's top 15 P4P. Cormier has beaten 4 out of the top 10 fighters in the weight class above his and has just dominated a credible opponent in his new weight class.

Can you name any other fighter in history who has beaten 4 out of the top 10 in the weight class above theirs?
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Yes, Lyoto Machida. And his two wins below his natural weight actually mean something.
 
Zurvan said:
It's not top 10, it's top 15 P4P. Cormier has beaten 4 out of the top 10 fighters in the weight class above his and has just dominated a credible opponent in his new weight class.

Can you name any other fighter in history who has beaten 4 out of the top 10 in the weight class above theirs?
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Thats a fun fact :icon_surp but Irrelevant to the discussion.
are any of the guys hes beaten top 10 P4P (or even top 15 P4P fighters????
no so he has no claim to be on that particular list yet.

Obviously DC is elite, no dispute. But realize when youre putting him on the list, youre also saying the current people on there are lesser accomplished. Youre saying JDS for example (whos not on the list) is lesser accomplished than DC. Which is bullcrap.

To put DC on there, dont just throw out fun facts. Say why any of the current P4Ps acheivements are lesser than beating hendo, roy nelson, etc.
 
whiteboycheckin said:
Beating up a barista and a one dimensional plodding geriatric doesn't make you p4p? Interesting
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Pat Cummins had no business fighting Cormier. We all agree on that. But it is highly disrespectful to him as a fighter to continually refer to him as a barista. The same goes for Hendo.

We all know he is past his prime, but he is not an easy out for any fighter.

You could have made the exact same point without being an asshole or fighter bashing.
 
If you're gonna say that P4P should take into account multiple weight classes then Demetrious Johnson shouldn't be on it considering he lost twice in the weight class above him in the last 5 years
 
But he beat Pat Cummins.....that guy's so tough he rides mountain bikes uphill.
 
IngaVovchanchyn said:
Pat Cummins had no business fighting Cormier. We all agree on that. But it is highly disrespectful to him as a fighter to continually refer to him as a barista. The same goes for Hendo.

We all know he is past his prime, but he is not an easy out for any fighter.

You could have made the exact same point without being an asshole or fighter bashing.
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Vitor, Machida, Shields, and Cormier worked him. Shogun before the KO was having his way with him as well.

Cummins and the UFC perpetrated a fraud to sell tix.
 
I think he should be there and he likely will very soon. I really though could care less for the P4P rankings. When it comes to P4P debates anyone's argument is as good as anyone else's.
 
whiteboycheckin said:
Vitor, Machida, Shields, and Cormier worked him. Shogun before the KO was having his way with him as well.

Cummins and the UFC perpetrated a fraud to sell tix.
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Cummins was a late replacement, I think we all knew the deal. I just wanted to see Cormier fight at 205 lbs. And the guys Hendo has to lost too recently, is a collection of damn good fighters, no shame in that.
 
Non-top 15 Cormier still beats Jones imo. Top 5 Cormier will be super scary. These ranking mean everything!
 
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