New The SHiNiNG interpretation

[Shayo]

I think Jack's most grievous sins are represented by the "spirits" he sees.

The nude lady/old crone in ROOM 237 represents Lust = 2nd circle of Inferno

Lloyd the Bartender in the Gold Room represents Gluttony = 3rd circle of Inferno

Delbert Grady the butler/old caretaker/axe murderer in the Red Bathroom represents Murder = 7th circle of Inferno

each sin when matched with the number of it's circle in Inferno gives you 237

I think Jack even see's the spirits in that order.

I'm convinced you have nailed it!

 

[xenomorph4prez]

Anyone whom has read The Shining novel knows Jack or what was left of him died when the Overlook's boiler exploded.

My theory of why Kubrick changed this for the movie is that in the novel Jack was a drunk and abused his child but King being an alcoholic at the time of writing it gave Jack's character some redemption in the end and his version of Jack was mostly corrupted by the Overlook where as Kubrick offers Jack no redemption and makes Jack just seem sadistic at the beginning.

Instead of Jack dying from an explosion he is frozen literally and symbolically frozen in the photo eternally.

Jack being punished by being frozen fits the sin of the 9th circle of Inferno, reserved for betrayals of special relationships, such as Judas and Satan betraying Christ.
I think Jack betraying his son and wife earn him this final resting place.

Here is how Jack ends up in the film

and here is an interpretation of Satan frozen in the 9th Circle of Dante's Inferno

 

[xenomorph4prez]

I'm convinced you have nailed it!

Thanks, I appreciate the positive feedback. I was expecting to get more ridicule because after all this is Sherdog. :icon_lol:

 

[HugeFanSmallBod]

I've never bothered to (attempt to) interpret The Shining.

I take it at face value, because it is rather perfect, to me, all on its own.

I've yet to read/hear any interpretation that truly adds anything to the experience of watching the movie. I've seen some incredibly lucid and interesting interpretations on it, of course, it's just that they don't affect my viewing of the film in the slightest.

Agreed, alot of that room 237 was just hard to listen to for me.

Whole movie I felt like. "Cool interpretation bro, all of you guys feel very strongly about all these conclusions you've made. But I don't give a fuck."

 

[xenomorph4prez]

Agreed, alot of that room 237 was just hard to listen to for me.

Whole movie I felt like. "Cool interpretation bro, all of you guys feel very strongly about all these conclusions you've made. But I don't give a fuck."

That's more like it. :icon_lol:

 

[HugeFanSmallBod]

That's more like it. :icon_lol:

No offense intended.

 

[Jar of Flies]

I dont know man. After reading all your wild theories during True Detective that didn't come close to hitting the mark, I'm a little hesitant to buy into this theory. No offense

 

[Rhood]

Take a basic movie like the Shining and allow conspiracy theorists to make a documentary out of it, resulting in the most asinine bullshit ever researched from a film.
You could make up hidden bs from any movie with conspiratards and people would buy it.

 

[Lamentation]

the film version of The SHiNiNG features a hedge maze or labyrinth not found in Stephen King's novel.
I did a search on the Minotaur and discovered that he was a man eater, a cannibal or canniBULLBig Grin. That was interesting because there are a few references to cannibalism in the film.

Coincidence?

it is a maze. a maze and a labyrinth are not the same thing

a minotaur is not a person so i don't see how it is a cannibal

"a few references to cannibalism in the film"
gee, where would this come from??? oh, the book. all the mention of the donner party from book

from the BOOK the shining

Further west in the Sierra Nevada the Donner Party had become snowbound and had resorted to cannibalism to stay alive.

"You're sure the larder is fully stocked?" she asked, still thinking of the Donners.

The food supplies amazed her but did not reassure her as much as she might have thought: the Donner Party kept recurring to her, not with thoughts of cannibalism

Wendy had a vision of the four of them being trapped between floors like flies in a bottle and found in the spring ... with little bits and pieces gone ... like the Donner Party ...

he announcer added jocularly, "that's how the Donners got into trouble. They just weren't as close to the nearest Seven-Eleven as they thought."

"Getting cold feet?" Wendy asked. She was still thinking about that crack the disc jockey had made about the Donner Party.



hmmm....maybe this is what kubrick caught up on, the BOOK. but maybe he formed a conspiracy with King before the book was written and king is pretending to be butt hurt over it

 

[xenomorph4prez]

No offense intended.

None taken friendo, I just couldn't resist the timing.

 

[Lamentation]

A river of blood would describe the hemoglobin spewing elevator and two murderers up to their eyebrows in blood (albeit symbolically) describes the red bathroom scene where red walls are kept in frame at eyelevel with Jack and Delbert. I think the man waiting at the elevator with the boat paddle is a joke concerning the blood river or could possibly be a reference to Charon the ferryman. The fact that the bathroom is used to symbolize the river of blood works because the walls are red and Kubrick keeps the tops of the red even with the eyebrows of Jack and Delbert and the fact that the room is a place where water flows(river). A joke here that could have been unintentional is that they end up in the Red Bathroom (symbolic river of blood) because Delbert spills Jack's drink on him and wants to dry him off in the bathroom which is funny because they are eyebrow deep in symbolic blood so what's a spilt drink or two?



This image is taken from Room 237. When the film is played forwards and backwards overlapping this image happens.

The remarkable thing about this is that the real blood on the walls from the twins line up with the symbolic blood on the walls of the Red Bathroom. It's odd that the real blood isn't on the walls beyond the border of the Red Bathroom walls. To me that seals it that the Red Bathroom is a symbol for murder and more specifically the twins murder.

It is like i made that last post in the shining thread and you ignored it.

here we go again.

Kubrick shot almost EVERYTHING symmetrical. Any frame of a kubrick movie can match up to another frame because kubrick was obessesed with SYMMETRY, not trying to hide some message you have to go back and look at

and, Kubrick had a shooting schedule, which he took longer than needed, but he was not trying to match up one scene to another. if he really were, he would do some takes and look at the dailies and see if it matched up to a previous scene and then get back to take more takes. non sense.

look up "kubrick symmetry" on google images once

 

[xenomorph4prez]

I dont know man. After reading all your wild theories during True Detective that didn't come close to hitting the mark, I'm a little hesitant to buy into this theory. No offense

None taken. True Detective came along after I had taken up interest in The SHiNiNG after watching ROOM 237 and so I was trying to apply symbolic meaning to places where there were none due to the enigmatic nature of it's material.

Another mistake I made was trying to figure it out before the show had ended, but I have no complaints as I had a lot fun with that show.

 

[xenomorph4prez]

It is like i made that last post in the shining thread and you ignored it.

here we go again.

Kubrick shot almost EVERYTHING symmetrical. Any frame of a kubrick movie can match up to another frame because kubrick was obessesed with SYMMETRY, not trying to hide some message you have to go back and look at

and, Kubrick had a shooting schedule, which he took longer than needed, but he was not trying to match up one scene to another. if he really were, he would do some takes and look at the dailies and see if it matched up to a previous scene and then get back to take more takes. non sense.

look up "kubrick symmetry" on google images once

I didn't post anything relating to symmetry as far as I can recall.

 

[Jon Stark]

Creative thinking but not accurate IMO

 

[Lamentation]

Coincidence?

I think not as the circles of Inferno that correspond to the number 237 are as follows

Circle 2 is Lust
Circle 3 is Gluttony
Circle 7 is Murder

All of which Jack is guilty of during the film.

once again from the book
"That was in Room 217, and I want you to promise me you won't go in there, Danny. Not all winter. Steer right clear."

237 was used instead of 217 because the timberline (exterior hotel) had a real room 217 and most likely a 227 so kubrick picked 237 to stay as close to the original

"Another simpler explanation is that it was requested to not use room #217 but #237 instead. Timberline Lodge, located on Mt. Hood in Oregon, was used for the exterior shots of the fictional "Overlook Hotel"; the Lodge requested that Kubrick was not to depict room #217 (featured in the book) in The Shining, because future guests at the Lodge might be afraid to stay there. So a nonexistent room, #237, was substituted in the film. Curiously and somewhat ironically, room #217 is requested more often than any other room at Timberline. "

 

[Lamentation]

With that revelation I started thinking about the Overlook itself an analog for the Inferno(Hell). Jack commits a lot of sins in the film and they take place in specific rooms that could be analogs for the circles of Inferno.

do you anywhere see a quote from kubrick saying he believed in heaven or hell? it seems he did not so why the big overlook = hell thing? because some nut case said some stupid shit on room 237.
you cannot take those people seriously. they are crackpots

once again, here is something from real life with parties involved.

King said that Kubrick once called King in the middle of the night while they were filming The Shining. "Do you believe in God?" Kubrick asked. Yes, King said he did believe in God. King associated Kubrick’s strange take (and film version) of the Shining to Kubrick’s inability to believe in God. If there is no God, then the Overlook isn’t haunted, it’s all about Jack Torrance going crazy. And that is what Kubrick’s version of the Shining does, it shoes Torrance and his family breaking down.

 

[Lamentation]

I didn't post anything relating to symmetry as far as I can recall.

holy shit, this is not an very obvious example you IMPLYING symmetry whether you used the word or not?

hey, look, it all lines up coz he shoots things to be in the center of the screen and not 2/3 like many other filmakers

 

[Lamentation]

I think the man waiting at the elevator with the boat paddle is a joke concerning the blood river or could possibly be a reference to Charon the ferryman. .

no, it is a referrence to 80s sex comedy Up The Creek

and the song even goes "i'm up the creek without a PADDLE at all, without a PADDLE at all"
why the second paddle refrain? and plus who gives a shit if up the creek was made years later. the script was sent to kubrick in 1979 actually.

 

[xenomorph4prez]

it is a maze. a maze and a labyrinth are not the same thing

a minotaur is not a person so i don't see how it is a cannibal

"a few references to cannibalism in the film"
gee, where would this come from??? oh, the book. all the mention of the donner party from book

from the BOOK the shining

Further west in the Sierra Nevada the Donner Party had become snowbound and had resorted to cannibalism to stay alive.

"You're sure the larder is fully stocked?" she asked, still thinking of the Donners.

The food supplies amazed her but did not reassure her as much as she might have thought: the Donner Party kept recurring to her, not with thoughts of cannibalism

Wendy had a vision of the four of them being trapped between floors like flies in a bottle and found in the spring ... with little bits and pieces gone ... like the Donner Party ...

he announcer added jocularly, "that's how the Donners got into trouble. They just weren't as close to the nearest Seven-Eleven as they thought."

"Getting cold feet?" Wendy asked. She was still thinking about that crack the disc jockey had made about the Donner Party.



hmmm....maybe this is what kubrick caught up on, the BOOK. but maybe he formed a conspiracy with King before the book was written and king is pretending to be butt hurt over it

In Greek mythology, the Labyrinth (Greek λαβύρινθος labyrinthos,[1] possibly the building complex at Knossos) was an elaborate structure designed and built by the legendary artificer Daedalus for King Minos of Crete at Knossos. Its function was to hold the Minotaur, a mythical creature that was half man and half bull and was eventually killed by the Athenian hero Theseus. Daedalus had so cunningly made the Labyrinth that he could barely escape it after he built it.[2] Theseus was aided by Ariadne, who provided him with a skein of thread, literally the "clew", or "clue", so he could find his way out again.

In colloquial English, labyrinth is generally synonymous with maze, but many contemporary scholars observe a distinction between the two: maze refers to a complex branching (multicursal) puzzle with choices of path and direction; while a single-path (unicursal) labyrinth has only a single, non-branching path, which leads to the center. A labyrinth in this sense has an unambiguous route to the center and back and is not designed to be difficult to navigate.[3]

I guess that makes the Minotaur half cannibal since he is half human.

Maze/Labyrinth both serve the same purpose

Kubrick omitted things and added things to The SHiNiNG, some are curious as to why the changes were made and if they were made to support multiple narratives.

There is no Maze in the book.

The twins do not show up in phantom form in the book.

There is no blood spewing elevator in the book.

The Hotel room number in the book is 217 and 237 in the film.

Hallorahn is killed in the film and survives in the book.

There is no Native American burial ground in the book.

Jack never actually sees the hag in the book.

Jack dies in an explosion in the book and freezes to death in the film.

There is no photograph in the book.

I guess all this is just because.

The SHiNiNG upon release was a critical and financial failure. I don't think that would have been the case if Kubrick had directed a paint by numbers version of King's novel. But to me it seem he had other narratives he wanted to tell and used The SHiNiNG's set up as a vehicle for them.

 

[xenomorph4prez]

do you anywhere see a quote from kubrick saying he believed in heaven or hell? it seems he did not so why the big overlook = hell thing? because some nut case said some stupid shit on room 237.
you cannot take those people seriously. they are crackpots

once again, here is something from real life with parties involved.

King said that Kubrick once called King in the middle of the night while they were filming The Shining. "Do you believe in God?" Kubrick asked. Yes, King said he did believe in God. King associated Kubrick’s strange take (and film version) of the Shining to Kubrick’s inability to believe in God. If there is no God, then the Overlook isn’t haunted, it’s all about Jack Torrance going crazy. And that is what Kubrick’s version of the Shining does, it shoes Torrance and his family breaking down.

I believe Kubrick was an atheist but I don't see how that should impair him from making a story about how abuse erodes a family and using Dante's Inferno which is a morality tale to some degree about avoiding things that can harm you.

Why are you so angry?