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New Paramount deal means loss of PPV points for top-tier fighters?

this sport isnt for the fighters. never has been. its been for a select few and the ones who run the show. for every guy who wants fair pay there are 10 trailer park idiots who will take his place for less. they should just move the power slap roster over to the ufc and boot all the fighters who wine.

That is easy to say, but that really isn't true.

If sports could get away with it there would be no unions in other sports. But when media outlets are paying you billions they demand a certain level of athlete/competition. The UFC is now into this crazy world of one countries media deal by itself is paying you over a billion there will be an expected quality of content. On a smaller level you see it even with the Middle east cards that those countries pay good money to host for it. Paramount isn't going to sit back after investing that kind of money and watch fighters bitch and complain or walk away because the UFC will hoard most of every dollar. That is going to cause a lot of issues between the UFC and Paramount and any future media deals.

I'm not sure how he UFC is going to handle it all, but business as usual of fighter pay is going to cause more issues than the UFC has ever had to deal with and issues between their biggest media outlet.
 
That is easy to say, but that really isn't true.

If sports could get away with it there would be no unions in other sports. But when media outlets are paying you billions they demand a certain level of athlete/competition. The UFC is now into this crazy world of one countries media deal by itself is paying you over a billion there will be an expected quality of content. On a smaller level you see it even with the Middle east cards that those countries pay good money to host for it. Paramount isn't going to sit back after investing that kind of money and watch fighters bitch and complain or walk away because the UFC will hoard most of every dollar. That is going to cause a lot of issues between the UFC and Paramount and any future media deals.

I'm not sure how he UFC is going to handle it all, but business as usual of fighter pay is going to cause more issues than the UFC has ever had to deal with and issues between their biggest media outlet.

its 100% true this sport is not for the fighters but a select few.
 
I'm joking about willing to make sacrifices for fighters losing PPV points. I'm not joking about this being good for the fans. I'm a fan, not a fighter. Their salary is very much largely out of my control.
Something that harms the sport isn't good for the fans.
 
Same way actors get screwed. No residuals when you go to streaming. No Blu ray/dvd sales to get a cut of anymore. No more 12 week theater runs, you go to digital in 6 or less.
 
Show/Win should be scrapped, pay flat purses so guys won't have to chose to fight conservatively or lose half their money.
That means every UFC bout ends with one of the 2 athletes losing out on half of their potential paycheck, it's a fucking tragedy to me.

Add a win bonus for any and all finishes. POTN is often subjective, whereas a finish should always be rewarded.
2 simple changes that would incentivize fighters while also providing them something closer to real financial security almost immediately.
They'll never do it imo, who would even be able to leverage them into paying more than they have to?

It's not a bug, it's a feature
 
They're getting rid of PPV so now nobody can argue that "oh you don't even buy PPV". What else can we do? It's not MY fault the brass don't want to pay out. I'm not in control of their salary. I'll have Paramount+. Am I supposed to donate or buy fight kits to supplement their income like tipping at a restaurant? Sorry, but it's not our problem to solve. I can't spend hundred dollars of my money on 1000 fighters each.

k

{<jordan}
 
The sad thing is some fans on here actually believed fighters dont get PPV points, they used that as an excuse to justify illegally streaming.

This is was always going to be the endgame.
 
I hate to say I don't care, but like, this benefits the fans way more in my selfish opinion. Maybe the viewership increase will supplement it? I don't know. But I'm willing to accept their sacrifice of PPV points. I'll take one for the team.
You’re one of the honest ones, there is handful of folks on here who constantly cry about fighter pay, ppvs, no stars, bitching about fight cards like UFC 300, and will go out of their way to not even do the bare minimum to support the fighters, what they didn’t realize they were indirectly hurting fighters for their hated crusade against Dana & The UFC
 
just like those piss poor broke NFL players. Not getting any Pay per view points has them dumpster diving for food and getting their ass kicked in video games by 12 year olds on twitch streams as a side gig just to scrape by. Any WMMA fighter above a 7 should dust off those onlyfans accounts
 
Why are you asking for advice on Sherdog?

{<jordan}

Where did i ask anything of you?
You're laughing at my post so I figured if you're mocking what I'm saying maybe you could give me some pointers to steer me in the right direction.
 
MMA fans now worrying about fighters getting paid PPV points as their typing in streameast to steal the PPV and literally take money out of the fighters pockets.


And according to the numbers the PPV buys are way down and most probably arent even hitting the threshold for money to even kick in which is 200k. And going by the old contracts a 400k buy PPV would only get you 200k extra in pay. What fights do UFC have on roster outside of Jones/Tom and a Conor comeback and even hit 500k? Maybe Topuria/Islam, maybe Tom/Alex if he wins LHW title back and moves up. I just dont see fighters getting that screwed here cause numbers aint what they used to be. Can easily throw a few hundred K more on the guarantee and its a wash.
 
You're laughing at my post so I figured if you're mocking what I'm saying maybe you could give me some pointers to steer me in the right direction.

Buddy, you quoted me...
<{MingNope}>
Twice.

<TheWire1>
Still asking for advice?
Legit, said "k" and you're still going.

When did i sign up to be your life coach ?

Honestly now.
 
Paramount+ is paying the UFC $1.1B/yr. The UFC pays the fighters. I haven't seen anything about Paramount+ paying the UFC more if the viewership is higher for a numbered event. I don't see any way the fighters get more money out of this deal unless the UFC pays them more out of that $1.1B/yr.

Dont forget that ads exist and it will play a bigger role in this new deal guaranteed. Do people really think ppvs go away and we only pay 8 bucks now. Its too good to be true, they are making up the difference on the ads side and new subscribers side. Expect way more ads on ppvs and if UFC/Paramount hit certain viewership numbers it means more ad money which could mean more for their champs that headline.
 
Buddy, you quoted me...
<{MingNope}>
Twice.

<TheWire1>
Still asking for advice?
Legit, said "k" and you're still going.

When did i sign up to be your life coach ?

Honestly now.
CAN you be my life coach please?

But for reals, I was just replying to the idea of fans caring more about themselves than the fighters. My intention might not have been clear.
 
Dont forget that ads exist and it will play a bigger role in this new deal guaranteed. Do people really think ppvs go away and we only pay 8 bucks now. Its too good to be true, they are making up the difference on the ads side and new subscribers side. Expect way more ads on ppvs and if UFC/Paramount hit certain viewership numbers it means more ad money which could mean more for their champs that headline.

I think people are confused here. This is not a revenue-sharing parttnership. The UFC, who pays their fighters, is receiving $1.1B/yr for 7 years to broadcast their content. In exchange, Paramount broadcast the fights. Their goal is to increase subscriptions and sell adverstising to add to Paramount's revenue. So the membership increase and the advertising dollars have no impact on the fighters and how the UFC pays them. They're already giving them $1.1B.

With regard to PPV events, as of my original post yesterday, Everyone form TKO, WME and the UFC were on news outlets claiming ALL numbered events will be on Paramount+ as part of the $7.99 sub with ads and the $12.99/mo sub without ads. And 4 of those numbered events would also be broadcast on CBS. As a matter of fact, I believe they were saying PPVs were "over." I see that DW has gone public since then saying there will still be some PPV's, but anything beyond that, as of yesterday, was merely speculation.
 
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