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[burningspear]

Shane looked like shit vs Mayorga just prior to Margarito.

 

[XThe GreatestX]

Shane looked like shit vs Mayorga just prior to Margarito.

This. That other guy said a lot of dumb shit over the past few pages but he is not wrong in suggesting that Mosley was not the same fighter in 2010 that he was in 2001. Winning a favorable matchup against a ready to be beaten Margarito whos mind was shot after the plaster thing, plus being already tailor made for Shane does not change that fact.

 

[Seano]

This. That other guy said a lot of dumb shit over the past few pages but he is not wrong in suggesting that Mosley was not the same fighter in 2010 that he was in 2001. Winning a favorable matchup against a ready to be beaten Margarito whos mind was shot after the plaster thing, plus being already tailor made for Shane does not change that fact.

He won that fight by KO and looked worse vs Forrest than he did vs Mayorga. Mayorga is not an easy guy to look good against. The only guy who ever really had an easy time with Mayorga was Oscar. That fight was also less than a year after the Cotto fight, which was a great fight and Cotto was a P4Per. If a sure sign you're shot is going rounds with Mayorga then you 'd have to make a pretty long list.

No one thought Margarito was taillor made for Shane pre fight either. That's bullshit. Shane was supposed to get retired in that fight.

 

[Shoemaker]

You really are an insecure little soft ass... to actually get offended that another man boxed. LOL. Get off the couch and live a little you pussy... it's obvious this is your primary form of social interaction.

People pull this "I *actually* box" shit all the time here, not realizing that a lot of people on here do/have, and use it as a "trump" card when they're unable to articulate themselves.

Happens often, actually. I don't think you did that directly, though. But even you admit some hyperbole. Roll with the punches.

 

[JayElectra]

He won that fight by KO and looked worse vs Forrest than he did vs Mayorga. Mayorga is not an easy guy to look good against. The only guy who ever really had an easy time with Mayorga was Oscar. That fight was also less than a year after the Cotto fight, which was a great fight and Cotto was a P4Per. If a sure sign you're shot is going rounds with Mayorga then you 'd have to make a pretty long list.

No one thought Margarito was taillor made for Shane pre fight either. That's bullshit. Shane was supposed to get retired in that fight.

Tito had it fairly easy with him, as well. I think Mosley was a faded fighter in some senses. He simply wasn't the same physically as he was in the early 00s by the time he fought Floyd and Manny. At the same time, the Margarito fight was probably the best performance in his career, all things considered. As mentioned before, that has everything to do with the style clash, but even if Mosley was past it, he was still a very legitimate win for Floyd at the time (he was without question one of the top 3 WWs along with Floyd and Manny).

 

[Seano]

He won that fight by KO and looked worse vs Forrest than he did vs Mayorga. Mayorga is not an easy guy to look good against. The only guy who ever really had an easy time with Mayorga was Oscar. That fight was also less than a year after the Cotto fight, which was a great fight and Cotto was a P4Per. If a sure sign you're shot is going rounds with Mayorga then you 'd have to make a pretty long list.

No one thought Margarito was taillor made for Shane pre fight either. That's bullshit. Shane was supposed to get retired in that fight.

To expand on this a little. Shane Mosley was a guy who was hot and cold based on who was across the ring from him. He cut his teeth sparring with good Mexican fighters- Chavez, the Ruelas brothers, Oscar etc. That's why when you think of a significant Mosley win, more often than not, its a Mexican (style) fighter. Oscar, Tony, Vargas etc.

Shane was a guy who beat those guys who fought with their hearts. Shane didn't look good against guys with awkward styles. Forrest with his long range and skillset, Wright with his tight defense and methodical style, Floyd with his ability to adjust to anything. I actually just recently watched that Mosley/MAyorga fight and it wasn't a case of Mosley looking old. He took a few rounds to get going, I'll give you that, but it was the style of fight Mayorga was fighting that made it so ugly. You could still see Mosley looking to get off in those exchange, but Mayorga would hold instead of getting into a shootout like say, Oscar would. I didn't see a guy who couldn't let his hands go. I saw a guy who can't figure out the guy in front of him. Mayorga feinted him. He mauled him. Once Shane got the timing down, he put a classic Mosley beating on the guy.

The first time I saw Shane fight and said he really didn't seem to have it anymore was vs Mora and then for sure vs Pac.

 

[Seano]

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Tito had it fairly easy with him, as well. I think Mosley was a faded fighter in some senses. He simply wasn't the same physically as he was in the early 00s by the time he fought Floyd and Manny. At the same time, the Margarito fight was probably the best performance in his career, all things considered. As mentioned before, that has everything to do with the style clash, but even if Mosley was past it, he was still a very legitimate win for Floyd at the time (he was without question one of the top 3 WWs along with Floyd and Manny).

Shot and faded are not the same thing though. The original post I responded to said Mosley was shot.

Who would watch Mosley vs Tony and say "Wow, Shane looks shot there" ?

 

[JayElectra]

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Shot and faded are not the same thing though. The original post I responded to said Mosley was shot.

Who would watch Mosley vs Tony and say "Wow, Shane looks shot there" ?

I never said I thought he was shot. I was clarifying how I viewed him at that point in time.

 

[Seano]

I never said I thought he was shot. I was clarifying how I viewed him at that point in time.

I didn't say you said that either. I'm defending my post, not trashing yours.

 

[PUO3]

This. That other guy said a lot of dumb shit over the past few pages but he is not wrong in suggesting that Mosley was not the same fighter in 2010 that he was in 2001. Winning a favorable matchup against a ready to be beaten Margarito whos mind was shot after the plaster thing, plus being already tailor made for Shane does not change that fact.

Wasnt tailor made. Shane was a fairly heavy underdog going into that fight.

Believe it was around -500 Marg, +400 Mosley

 

[PUO3]

Also just to touch on the BS earlier, we all know whats cool and whats not here. We all shoot light hearted shit each others way and thats ok. Stuff like that though, no place for it. And it wasnt the first or even second instance.

 

[Seano]

Also just to touch on the BS earlier, we all know whats cool and whats not here. We all shoot light hearted shit each others way and thats ok. Stuff like that though, no place for it. And it wasnt the first or even second instance.

You puttin' on the gloves ,PUO3?

Seriously, if this is directed at me, I show people the same respect they show me. I don't start shit here, ever.

 

[PUO3]

My power is discombobulatingly devastating.

 

[Seano]

My power is discombobulatingly devastating.

 

[Jayofteror]

I'm a massive fan of combat sports, primarily MMA. I have watched a few boxing matches that were supposed to be great like Gatti and Ward. My main question is this, how come today's boxing seems so much different than when you had Tyson, Ali, Frazier type guys vs what we have today? I've tried watching a few fights here or there but I just can't get overly excited in those fights. I will always be a huge MMA fan but would like to give boxing a go as I love stand up wars.

Boxing will always have super stars. However, some fighters come around that are once in a life time like the Alis, Tysons, and Roy Jones of the world. However, there are some talented fighters out there. I would suggest you read on one or two boxers that interest you and follow them around for a few months. Learn about their division and who their biggest rivals are. Once you get to know the boxers the sport itself will automatically become part of your life.

I started watching boxing hard core back in the 1980s during the days of SRL, Hagler, and Hearns. I just followed those guys around and than I started getting into the heavyweight division and before you know it I was watching all kinds of fighters from every division. Just ease into it, boxing is an amazing sport with an amazing history.

 

[ironfist05]

could somebody from the 80s clarify how popular Hagler was?

I've heard different things: some say he was a superstar, and some say he was completely underappreciated and that the public generally didn't give a shit about him because he was so aloof and because he was in Ray's shadow.

 

[Seano]

could somebody from the 80s clarify how popular Hagler was?

I've heard different things: some say he was a superstar, and some say he was completely underappreciated and that the public generally didn't give a shit about him because he was so aloof and because he was in Ray's shadow.

He was a hardcore fans favorite but he didn't really break through the same way guys like Leonard and Duran did. He didn't get the same attention from the press.

Leonard was the guy. He was an amateur superstar, the last of his kind really. Oscar achieved a little of that but not like Leonard.Everyone else was in Leonards shadow and Hagler resented that. Hagler felt that he should have earned fame like Leonard by fighting everyone and he just didn't. He didn't have Leonards good looks and didn't have a warm personality.

People knew who Hagler was, no doubt but he was not loved like the guys he wanted to fight.

 

[mma sharingan]

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WOAH

 

[ironfist05]

He was a hardcore fans favorite but he didn't really break through the same way guys like Leonard and Duran did. He didn't get the same attention from the press.

Leonard was the guy. He was an amateur superstar, the last of his kind really. Oscar achieved a little of that but not like Leonard.Everyone else was in Leonards shadow and Hagler resented that. Hagler felt that he should have earned fame like Leonard by fighting everyone and he just didn't. He didn't have Leonards good looks and didn't have a warm personality.

People knew who Hagler was, no doubt but he was not loved like the guys he wanted to fight.

cool, thanks, that was never really clear to me

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

I thought Marg was going to end Mosley's career.

Yup same here...lost a big bet that night.