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[burningspear]

Easily.

You can't say easily when most would favour Tommy and Ray over anybody who has faught since at WW.

 

[ironfist05]

You can't say easily when most would favour Tommy and Ray over anybody who has faught since at WW.

He said that it stands up to, not exceeds. I'd probably favor Hearns and SRL over most of the fighters today, but Pac, Floyd, even JMM, Shane, Mosley, Margarito, Cotto, Williams and a host of others would be competitive in past boxing eras.

 

[Seano]

Yeah, I never said anything about anyone beating anyone.

 

[burningspear]

I wasn't addressing your post and Shane was shot by the time he faced Floyd and Manny.

 

[Seano]

I wasn't addressing your post and Shane was shot by the time he faced Floyd and Manny.

He was coming off arguably the most impressive performance of his career when he fought Floyd.

 

[burningspear]

One last hurrah.

 

[clashnat]

Shane was close to 40 and his best fight was the 1st one vs. DLH.

 

[Seano]

Shane was close to 40 and his best fight was the 1st one vs. DLH.

He was flawless vs Margarito, a fight in which people were saying he might actually get killed in.

 

[proudamericanda]

He was flawless vs Margarito, a fight in which people were saying he might actually get killed in.

Conveniently ignore the fact that Margarito was caught with plastered wraps just minutes before their fight. I'm sure that wouldn't throw his previous wins into question or mentally shake Margarito knowing win or lose his entire career might be fucked.

Classic Seano shit right there.

 

[Seano]

Conveniently ignore the fact that Margarito was caught with plastered wraps just minutes before their fight. I'm sure that wouldn't throw his previous wins into question or mentally shake Margarito knowing win or lose his entire career might be fucked.

Classic Seano shit right there.

Conveniently ignore that lots of people thought both DLH fights were bad decisions.

Conveniently ignore that I said Shane was flawless vs Tony, which he was.

Conveniently ignore that Tony was heavily favored.

There was no evidence Shane was shot going into the Floyd fight. None. His only loss in the past 5 years was to Cotto and that was a close fight.


Tony's hand wraps wouldn't have mattered one way or the other because he barely trouched Shane all night long. Shane was on point in that fight and looked awesome, regardless of how Tony looked.

Tony was easily the most impressive, dominant performance of his career. No doubt about it.
Idiot.

 

[MC Paul Barman]

Watch every Anthony Bonsante fight....

 

[proudamericanda]

Conveniently ignore that lots of people thought both DLH fights were bad decisions.

Conveniently ignore that I said Shane was flawless vs Tony, which he was.

Conveniently ignore that Tony was heavily favored.

There was no evidence Shane was shot going into the Floyd fight. None. His only loss in the past 5 years was to Cotto and that was a close fight.


Tony's hand wraps wouldn't have mattered one way or the other because he barely trouched Shane all night long. Shane was on point in that fight and looked awesome, regardless of how Tony looked.

Tony was easily the most impressive, dominant performance of his career. No doubt about it.
Idiot.

You really are some special kind of stupid, aren't you boy?

Had Margarito NOT been caught with plastered up wraps minutes before the fight that certainly would have been his most impressive victory. But I guess you aren't smart enough to put things together so let me spell it out for you.

BEFORE getting caught cheating Margarito has a dominant stretch of wins, not known so much for speed of defensive acumen, but grit and power. Coming off his biggest career win against Cotto he is caught using plaster of paris in the dressing room inutes before his fight with Mosley. Knowing what happened to luis Resto he realizes his career could be over and he could do time in prison. Talk about losing focus, he was no doubt shitting a brick before the fight even started. Following the handwrap scandal Margarito goes on to look very ordinary with a 1-3 record. And you think beating Margarito in that fight was the best performance of Shane's career? STFU.

I don't even see how you could bring up the fact that Margarito was a betting favorite when we all know what happened afterwards ,. Anyone naive enough to think he wasn't cheating for at least the fights leading up to Mosley needs some help. But then again you are the guy who said Bradley beat Pacquiao. LOL. RETARD

 

[Breakfast Bar]

I'm not sure professional boxing has declined or that amateur boxing has declined. AMERICAN professional boxing has probably declined and AMERICAN amateur boxing has definitely declined. That doesn't mean that there aren't great fights or fighters, but it means that you have to seek them out rather than waiting for a U.S. Based television network to feed them to you.

 

[Seano]

I really am some special kind of stupid,

Actually, proudamericanduh if you knew anything about Mosley at all, you'd know that he handles mexican style fighters. He knows how to fight that style, he has the chin to deal with the aggression and can give and take like they can and ALSO has basic boxing ability that those guys usually don't have.

What you aren't grasping is that I'm not talking about Margarito, I'm talking about Mosley. His performance was flawless. Even his jab was on point, usually a weak point in his style, He boxed well, fought well -everything.


Now tell me you dumb shit, how does Mosley's performance vs Margarito prove he was past his best? Thats the topic here.

 

[ironfist05]

I'm not sure professional boxing has declined or that amateur boxing has declined. AMERICAN professional boxing has probably declined and AMERICAN amateur boxing has definitely declined. That doesn't mean that there aren't great fights or fighters, but it means that you have to seek them out rather than waiting for a U.S. Based television network to feed them to you.

Very true.

People complain that there aren't many slick fighters out there nowadays. Well, only a couple of years ago, Chris John was one of the slickest guys out there. Nobody paid attention to him, but he was very slick. The same can be said for Calderon in his prime. Tokuyama was one of the best outfighters I've ever seen, nobody paid attention to him.

sometimes, you just have to look outside the US

 

[Seano]

If the American boxing system has declined, then that has world wide ramifications.

 

[ironfist05]

Actually, proudamericanduh if you knew anything about Mosley at all, you'd know that he handles mexican style fighters. He knows how to fight that style, he has the chin to deal with the aggress band can give and take like they can and ALSO has basic boxing ability that those guys usually don't have.

What you aren't grasping is that I'm not talking about Margarito, I'm talking about Mosley. His performance was flawless. Even his jab was on point, usually a weak point in his style, He boxed well, fought well -everything.


Now tell me you dumb shit, how does Mosley's performance vs Margarito prove he was past his best? Thats the topic here.

%100 agreed. Mosley was on point that night.

I don't think I'd take that mosley over Duran, Leonard, Hearns, Curry, or even Benitez, but I know that version of Mosley would beat up some of the guys they built their names on before fighting each other, like Cuevas, probably Starling and McCrory as well.

 

[ironfist05]

If the American boxing system has declined, then that has world wide ramifications.

maybe, maybe not. Look at what we're seeing around the world: Eastern European and Cuban fighters finally starting to fill the void. the UK and Japan are having golden eras. Not long ago the Philippines and Argentina were producing a lot of top quality fighters. I think we're seeing something different, not necessarily something worse (except at HW, we're definitely seeing something worse at HW overall).

 

[Seano]

%100 agreed. Mosley was on point that night.

I don't think I'd take that mosley over Duran, Leonard, Hearns, Curry, or even Benitez, but I know that version of Mosley would beat up some of the guys they built their names on before fighting each other, like Cuevas, probably Starling and McCrory as well.

I actually picked Mosley to kick the shit out of Tony BEFORE the hand wraps controversy. Mosley beats guys like that. Always has.

Guys Mosley struggles with are guys with good defensive and good technical skills. Not aggressive fighters.

 

[Seano]

maybe, maybe not. Look at what we're seeing around the world: Eastern European and Cuban fighters finally starting to fill the void. the UK and Japan are having golden eras. Not long ago the Philippines and Argentina were producing a lot of top quality fighters. I think we're seeing something different, not necessarily something worse (except at HW, we're definitely seeing something worse at HW overall).

Finally starting to fill the void but why? Could it be tied to the fact the american amateur system has declined? We don't have Leonards and Holyfields in the amateur system anymore, we have Raushee Warren. We haven't had a decent amateur team since the 90s. Coincidence that europeans started making such a big splash in boxing in the 00's?