Crime Neo-Nazi ‘willing to murder mixed-race child’ released early from prison

[Mack Yancy]

source?

 

[Brigfa2]

National Action: The new parents and the neo-Nazi terror threat

How police closed in on the banned far-right group National Action and several of its members.

www.bbc.co.uk

Here's a loooooooong article about National Action starting with these two weirdos.

BBC is such a bullshit network i rather choose the other BBC and i'm not even a gay

 

[Scheme]

source?

Link a single American or even UK law or penal code that states that minorities should be discriminated against. The only ones you will find are the exact opposite. The only part of the system that discriminates against anyone explicitly is against men, white people and most often white males.

 

[Billy no mates]

Better question: has anyone been jailed for expressing support for Hamas?

Seems like a pretty slippery slope.

There been arrests and lengthy sentences for support of ISIS and the like , long standing public irritant Anjem Choudray went down for it , there have been a few arrests for supporting Hamas since the beginining of the year .
Belonging to or supporting a proscribed organisation is a no-no theres a pretty long list of organisations proscribed under anti-terrorism legislation .

 

[Madmick]

There been arrests and lengthy sentences for support of ISIS and the like , long standing public irritant Anjem Choudray went down for it , there have been a few arrests for supporting Hamas since the beginining of the year .
Belonging to or supporting a proscribed organisation is a no-no theres a pretty long list of organisations proscribed under anti-terrorism legislation .

No, it doesn't appear Choudary was convicted for political speech. Specifically, this wouldn't have gone far enough. He could have supported an Islamic state as a political concept. Instead, he provably vowed an oath of allegience to ISIS as a matter of record; in other words, he was essentially convicted for becoming a member of the terrorist group.

Anjem Choudary - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Charge, conviction and imprisonment​

For decades, Choudary had "stayed [on] the right side of the law"—other than a minor conviction for failing to notify police of a demonstration.[89] But in June 2014, the terror group ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and Syria) broke through the border between Syria and Iraq. They declared their leader a caliph, their law Sharia, and themselves The Islamic State.[89] Since Choudary had called for the establishment of an Islamic state for many years in his lectures, "he came under intense sustained pressure from his acolytes", to declare his support for the new state. In a private social media message, one supporter, Abu Rumaysah al-Britani, demanded, "We have to declare our position - enough stalling!"[89] Shortly afterwards, Choudary pledged allegiance to the Islamic State's “caliphate,” and its "caliph" (Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi) "'via Skype, text and phone' during dinner at a restaurant in London."[6]

But there were legal implications to swearing allegiance. Journalist Dominic Casciani pointed out that Choudary might circumvent laws on terrorism if "he was supporting a political concept" (an Islamic state) - "not the proscribed terrorist group behind it" (the Islamic State). Choudary believed he had, but British detectives "found the evidence — including a crucial IS oath of allegiance published by one of his Indonesian supporters that could be traced back to private social media conversations".[89]

On 5 August 2015, Choudary was charged with one offence under section 12 of the Terrorism Act 2000 for inviting support of a proscribed organisation, namely Islamic State, between June 2014 and March 2015.[90][91] The trial was postponed to 27 June 2016, and was expected to last no more than four weeks.[92] Choudary was convicted on 28 July 2016.[25][93] At the Old Bailey on 6 September 2016, Mr Justice Holroyde sentenced Choudary to five years and six months in prison, telling him that he had "crossed the line between the legitimate expression of your own views and a criminal act".[94]

Although, while the Metro link doesn't specify that, a BBC article shows this Neo-Nazi was convicted for the same. He wasn't convicted for speech, or naming his baby Adolf, but for belonging to a terrorist Neo-Nazi group called National Action. So that would seem proportional. Good.

National Action trial: Members of neo-Nazi group jailed

A couple who named their child Adolf in honour of Hitler are sentenced alongside four others.

www.bbc.com

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

No, it doesn't appear Choudary was convicted for political speech. Specifically, this wouldn't have gone far enough. He could have supported an Islamic state as a political concept. Instead, he provably vowed an oath of allegience to ISIS as a matter of record; in other words, he was essentially convicted for becoming a member of the terrorist group.

Anjem Choudary - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Although, while the Metro link doesn't specify that, a BBC article shows this Neo-Nazi was convicted for the same. He wasn't convicted for speech, or naming his baby Adolf, but for belonging to a terrorist Neo-Nazi group called National Action. So that would seem proportional. Good.

National Action trial: Members of neo-Nazi group jailed

A couple who named their child Adolf in honour of Hitler are sentenced alongside four others.

www.bbc.com

So they didn't actually do anything?

 

[ICHEERTHEBULL]

He got 6.5 years in prison for simply being a part of a Neo-Nazi party? There are guys who get less for murder.

While he is of course despicable, I'm not sure that 6.5 years for a non-violent offense is warranted. Of course this is the UK so they can basically lock anyone one up for anything with impunity.

Not for being a member of a neo nazi party but for being the member of a proscribed organisation. The animal liberation front is a proscribed organisation so if they could prove membership you could get years for that too. Interesting to note the ALF were banned in the UK years before the UDA were.

 

[Madmick]

So they didn't actually do anything?

If you perceive joining a terrorist organization as not actually doing anything, you do you.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

If you perceive joining a terrorist organization as not actually doing anything, you do you.

Agreed.

"But they joined it purely to express themselves" or something.

Shutting down terrorism at source is absolutely the correct measure. We aren't just going to wait to be attacked, or intercept plans at the very last second, thank God.

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

If you perceive joining a terrorist organization as not actually doing anything, you do you.

I just think you have to be careful about that. Guilt by association isn't cool. Makes think of those crazy Westboro Baptist Church people. They espouse some absolutely heinous beliefs, but unless they actually did something to someone, I don't think you can just lock them up.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

A neo-Nazi infamous for naming his son after Adolf Hitler has been granted early release from prison.

Neo-Nazi 'willing to murder mixed-race child' released early from prison

Holocaust denier Adam Thomas, 27, has been granted parole despite officials’ reservations about his risk of reoffending.

metro.co.uk

Despite well-grounded concerns that Thomas is at risk of reoffending due to his deeply held beliefs, a parole board has determined following a hearing at the end of last month that he ought to be released.

A summary from the hearing, quoted by the Daily Mail, reads: ‘Having considered the index offence, relevant patterns of previous behaviour and the other evidence before it, the panel listed as risk factors those influences which made it more likely that Mr Thomas would reoffend.

The UK has its own laws, but I don't think anyone should be jailed for belonging to a racist group.

Do you think he should be kept in prison simply for being racist?

 

[Sinister]

The UK has its own laws, but I don't think anyone should be jailed for belonging to a racist group.

Do you think he should be kept in prison simply for being racist?

Let me pull a JD Vance and answer your question with a question. But mine will actually be relevant.

Do you think society owes it to racists to allow them to live among their plurality while actively seeking to undermine it?

 

[Sakuraba'sEar]

Wrong thread

Hi mark

 

[Sakuraba'sEar]

Do you think society owes it to racists to allow them to live among their plurality while actively seeking to undermine it?

They release philes and murderers on the regular, and you're worried about some racist guy more?

 

[Sinister]

They release philes and murderers on the regular, and you're worried about some racist guy more?

Nazism is not "some racist guy." Nazis push for apartheid and genocide. So yes, worried about that a bit more than singular criminals

 

[The Big Yin]

For anyone unfamiliar with the case, Adam and Claudia are the classic example of dorks LARPing as Nazis on the internet being made into sacrificial lambs so society can signal how anti-racist we are. They were members of a neo-nazi facebook group where they liked to post pictures dressed in Nazi uniforms and make caricature statements about how they hate Jews and other minorities. Someone in the chatroom said something to the effect of they wanted to catch a Jew and light them on fire so since it had a political affiliation and was advocating violence they were designated a terrorist organization and arrested. Their child had to wait 5 years to get his parents back from prison because .... facebook pictures and chatrooms. But we are supposed to be outraged because he was given parole a year and a half shy of his full sentence? lol

The founder Alex Davies and the rest of the members were incredibly social media savvy. They would deliberately post statistics and crime stories on Facebook, masking the NA name, which got shared far and wide. They were incredibly successful at sharing the content.

The tipping point came when 2 of the periphery members were caught en route to a far right protest with cable ties and a can of petrol in their works van. It couldn't be proven they were planning to kidnap and set fire to a Muslim, but the home secretary used this as a means to prescribe the group and ultimately jail all the members.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Let me pull a JD Vance and answer your question with a question. But mine will actually be relevant.

Do you think society owes it to racists to allow them to live among their plurality while actively seeking to undermine it?

Actually, I do. Lets not forget that the guy was jailed for belonging to a banned group, not for committing any crime against other individuals.

If you can't articulate why racist ideology is disgusting and meritless without locking people up for thought crimes then your society isn't much better than the theocracies of the mideast or communism of Russia and China.