International [NATO News] Putin: lifting Ukraine missile restrictions would "put NATO at war with Russia"

[TheGreatA]

I said it was going to be the biggest mistake we've ever committed in foreign policy, and it turned out to be exactly that.

Our fools got totally played by Turkish carpet merchants. The legend of the gullible, easily embezzled "tsuhna" continues. In earlier times, Finnish merchants would often travel to Eastern markets with their hard-earned goods, and return with absolutely nothing of value, having been taken advantage of by people who possessed a lot more cunning. This long-standing tradition seems to have continued to this day.

 

[Son of Jamin]

Now that the Sultan of the Bazaar has said that he doesn't support the Swedish application, Sweden should grow a pair...

* Demand VISA:s for Turkish travellers
* Stop financing multi billion railroad project in Turkey.
* Demand that Turkey extradites criminals to Sweden.
* End all financial aid.

Don Frye-style...

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

Nato should expel turkey and admit Sweden and Finland.

 

[TheGreatA]

Now that the Sultan of the Bazaar has said that he doesn't support the Swedish application, Sweden should grow a pair...

* Demand VISA:s for Turkish travellers
* Stop financing multi billion railroad project in Turkey.
* Demand that Turkey extradites criminals to Sweden.
* End all financial aid.

Don Frye-style...

The leaders we've got just don't understand how to deal with these Eastern dictators. You can't come off as a beggar, because you'll only continue to be taken advantage of, again and again, until the well is completely dry. You need to have some sort of leverage over them, if not, then it's worthless to even attempt to bargain anything.

If Erdogan realized that there's some sort of push-back coming because of his actions, he'd act a lot more reasonably. Right now, he just knows that he can do whatever he wants and get away with it. Every week he comes up with new demands and new reasons to feign outrage. His weak bullshit should have never been given any credibility.

 

[SandisLL]

Nato should expel turkey and admit Sweden and Finland.

I think with switching off $ loans river will be enough.

If U.K and U.S will threat to sanction turkish banks ....Turkey will fold.
Banks needs access to stock market....that is in U.K and U.S to earn money.

Reason why to sanction some bank FRS always is capable to find or " find " .....

 

[SandisLL]

+ U.K wants to see Finland and Sweden in NATO in order to increase their ( U.K ) impact in EU.
Also they hate Turkey cos had been forced to babysit situation between Cyprus, Greece and Turkey 40 years in row like aunt....in order to prevent large scale war between NATO countries...
Turkey is nightmare for NATO and EU.
They are threating Cyprus and Greece with possible war .
40 years in row....

 

[Cole train]

The leaders we've got just don't understand how to deal with these Eastern dictators. You can't come off as a beggar, because you'll only continue to be taken advantage of, again and again, until the well is completely dry. You need to have some sort of leverage over them, if not, then it's worthless to even attempt to bargain anything.

If Erdogan realized that there's some sort of push-back coming because of his actions, he'd act a lot more reasonably. Right now, he just knows that he can do whatever he wants and get away with it. Every week he comes up with new demands and new reasons to feign outrage. His weak bullshit should have never been given any credibility.

Turkey is a lot more important geography wise than we are so he can flex as much as he feels

Nice to see we are ran by retards as always

 

[Son of Jamin]

It is in Swedish but pretty easy to understand.

Erdogan says: "That's a good boy. Faster".

The sign says: "Towards dictatorship"

 

[SandisLL]

Turkey is a lot more important geography wise than we are so he can flex as much as he feels

Nice to see we are ran by retards as always

This isn't easy to explain.

Finland too isn't so not important how ppl might think.

U.K doesn't gave a f k about Turkey's location at all.
What stuff they want from Turkey 40 years in row?
To prevent large scale war Greece& Cyprus vs Turkey....
Cos mercantile interests.....war there will hurt U.K financial interests a lot.....

The same is about EU: they doesn't want nor Turkey attacking Greece or Cyprus nor to see Finland attacked becuse.....they are eurozone countries....

If the same Greece had their own currency....in 2008/2009 EU just had told them : deal with crisis yourself....
While cos EUR....they started to bailout Greece.
The same with Italy....

They did this for clear mercantile reasons...not cos are good friends....

While EUR is fiat currency, ECB like FRS and BoE or BoJ doesn't maintain exchange rate with interventions. Unlike Russia, Ukr etc central banks....

Each country in eurozone economically is like city in one country....
They aren't completely independent....

 

[Halge]

Nato should expel turkey and admit Sweden and Finland.

Long term, I honestly wonder if this isn't what's in the cards. Being allied to Turkey is problematic for just about every nation in NATO, not just Sweden. Besides the fact that dealing with Turks is like dealing with a traveling vacuum-cleaner salesman, there are vast cultural differences that lands European politicians in hot water time and time again simply by association.
Once Turkey stops being of vital importance (and with USA out of the middle east Turkey has lost some relevance already), drop them from the alliance and let them fend for themselves if they think they can handle it. I predict a bloody war between three to four of the regional MENA powers within a couple of years of Turkey going solo, especially if Russia loses influence in the region.

 

[Hypetrainhipsta]

The leaders we've got just don't understand how to deal with these Eastern dictators. You can't come off as a beggar, because you'll only continue to be taken advantage of, again and again, until the well is completely dry. You need to have some sort of leverage over them, if not, then it's worthless to even attempt to bargain anything.

If Erdogan realized that there's some sort of push-back coming because of his actions, he'd act a lot more reasonably. Right now, he just knows that he can do whatever he wants and get away with it. Every week he comes up with new demands and new reasons to feign outrage. His weak bullshit should have never been given any credibility.

That's the problem in Western and Central Europe. Our leaders are naive and not ruthless when it comes to dealing with others. Despotes and authoritarian leaders in general only respect force, crying a bit about universal (?) human rights won't do a thing.
That said, I also don't get why Sweden wants to be in the NATO so badly. Their army is actually not that bad for it's limited funding + limited manpower and they have Finnland and the Baltic states as a shield against Russia.
Frankly the imported gang violence and organized crime is a much bigger problem for them...

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Nato should expel turkey and admit Sweden and Finland.

turkey is way more important for NATO than 20 swedens and finlands.
and lol @ expel. yeah, what if some countries say no? expel them too?
real world isn't twitter.

 

[A Very Serious Cat]

Nato should expel turkey and admit Sweden and Finland.

And drive turkey firmly into russias arms? Good chance you'd lose access to the black sea too

 

[BJJ Lover]

Oh look, Russophobic nato zombies being racist again

 

[SandisLL]

turkey is way more important for NATO than 20 swedens and finlands.
and lol @ expel. yeah, what if some countries say no? expel them too?
real world isn't twitter.

Sweden actually doesn't need nor Turkey nor U.S.
Unlike Finland.
Sweden now is sitting on warrant letter signed by U.K where they warrant to help Sweden as nuclear force if Sweden will be invaded.

So yes, might afford to tell turks to piss off and shut mouths till end of universe.

Finland doesn't have such stuff from U.K.

This reality.....

 

[SandisLL]

All Sweden does needs is to keep negotiations process about joining NATO open and not to remowe their application for NATO membership.

The United Kingdoom signed warrant letter to protect Sweden in case of invasion as nuclear armed power for negotiation period for Sweden's access to NATO as protection measure.
If Sweden will remowe application warrant letter will be automatically void.

 

[SandisLL]

So for Sweden mandatory is to do 2 big things.

1. To increase budget for military and security. It is super important.
If Sweden will spend not just some theoretical maybe 2% but more on military then pressure from U.S and U.K on Turkey will increase.
Also this will be very good for Sweden's own military capability...

2. Sweden should keep open negotiation process about NATO membership and in no case remowe application.

 

[Halge]

And drive turkey firmly into russias arms?

NATO is pretty much what's keeping Turkey safe from Russia. Why do you think Turkey is in NATO, exactly?

Good chance you'd lose access to the black sea too

I'd love to see Turkey, as a non-NATO member, try to deny the navies of the west access through the Bosporus and Dardanelles.
I'm sure it really looks forward to the prospect of going from a nation with its vital waterway declared a safe zone by mutual agreement, to a nation with its vital waterway desired by USA, EU and Russia simultaneously*. That's totally something Turkey has the resources to deal with, while simultaneously fending off a number of hostile near-peers in the region.


*In case you've missed it numerous nations around the Black Sea either are, or are currently in the process of becoming, NATO members. Denying NATO the ability to come to its members defense if pretty close an Article 5 scenario in itself.

 

[Hypetrainhipsta]

So for Sweden mandatory is to do 2 big things.

1. To increase budget for military and security. It is super important.
If Sweden will spend not just some theoretical maybe 2% but more on military then pressure from U.S and U.K on Turkey will increase.
Also this will be very good for Sweden's own military capability...

2. Sweden should keep open negotiation process about NATO membership and in no case remowe application.

Frankly, for their small population and small military budget their military is already surprisingly decent.

Sweden actually doesn't need nor Turkey nor U.S.
Unlike Finland.
Sweden now is sitting on warrant letter signed by U.K where they warrant to help Sweden as nuclear force if Sweden will be invaded.

So yes, might afford to tell turks to piss off and shut mouths till end of universe.

Finland doesn't have such stuff from U.K.

This reality.....

This, unlike the Finns they also have other states between them and Russia, they aren't in the worst possible position.

Now of course we should have such warrants in place in the whole EU, while coordinating our military spendings (we don't even need to increase it that much if it's centrally organized towards defending all of the EU) and in a few years the NATO is kinda obsolete and we can finally send the American troops still stationed in Europe home, but that is probably wishful thinking...

 

[AWilder]

interesting, not all that surprising if all the claims are true.