International [NATO News] Putin: lifting Ukraine missile restrictions would "put NATO at war with Russia"

[SandisLL]

Nope

Could be substituted easily ,literally was said on our news 2 days ago

Yes. Especially if stupid EU didn't had emmisions quotas and crazy pro gazprom " greens ".
Btw Finland doesn't use much russian gas for electricity production.

What kind of irreplaceable raw materials Finland is importing from Russia?
About starving and food, please, it is just cos capitalism.
Finland historically had proved that they will not starve without any food imports.
Russia even might ate their fertilisers.
Like china their cheap crap.

 

[SandisLL]

Plus Turkey and other cunts even might not hope that they does have power.
They doesn't have.

Possible variant if plebs will block this is relatively fast: security agreement with countries called Norway, Denmark, U.K and U.S& Canada+ NZ and Australia.
Troops stationed for exercises on permanent basis and Turkey etc might cry.
Additionally, if Turkey will have too loud mouth they will not get damn a lot possible investments.

 

[Snowblindlove]

Nope

Could be substituted easily ,literally was said on our news 2 days ago

Oh you will see how wrong your news is

 

[SandisLL]

Oh you will see how wrong your news is

The sooner your Mother Russia will stop any exports to EU the better it will be for europe.
Ofc some period will be difficult cos capitalists love to have big profits.

While if to be sharp, even Russia's fertilisers are like for dog fifth leg.

Get your paycheck for posting here and take your vodka and propaganda dose from TV. When your shift in troll pharm will be done today.

 

[Snowblindlove]

The sooner your Mother Russia will stop any exports to EU the better it will be for europe.
Ofc some period will be difficult cos capitalists love to have big profits.

While if to be sharp, even Russia's fertilisers are like for dog fifth leg.

Get your paycheck for posting here and take your vodka and propaganda dose from TV. When your shift in troll pharm will be done today.

I cannot understand you

 

[SandisLL]

I cannot understand you

Sure, keep trolling and earn your paycheck decently.

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

I just don't see how the West has somehow lost India or Africa in exchange for "gaining" Finland and Sweden.

I seriously doubt India, or countries in Africa, are going to stop trading with the West just because of the West's treatment of Russia. They might, to some degree, sympathize with Russia's position, for whatever reason, but they're not going to go to great lengths in order to defend a country that quite frankly is doing some rather indefensible shit right now, to the point where even China isn't outright taking up for them. Business will continue as usual pretty much, except for Russia obviously.

Russia is more willing to sell weaponry to India or Africa but has very little economic power compared to the West or China. Also, in relation to India, they have a robust weapon industry and in the long run I don't see them depending on Russia that much considering their economy will be many times bigger than Russia's.

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

If about India, how important it is in real life.
In my area we have pharmacy factory.
One from buildings is not in active usage.
Cos they are importing some substances from India.
While we had manufactured these in 1960-1980 ies.
It is just cos capitalism for stakeholders to earn more....
We have exp in industrial scale and all blueprints, all exp and skills & equipment to produce this like bread.

I might only be happy if EU had banned trade with India ..
.Banned curse.

Because India has over 1 billion people and they're growing at 7% a year lol. It's not just a factory for shitty products, it's also a huge consumer market for everything.
Now, I don't mean anybody is losing India. India is just trying to stay neutral because they want to be friends with both the West and Russia because Russia sells them weapons. If the West really wants to get into India's side they could start selling them advanced weaponry but then it will piss off Pakistan and China, so it's a delicate balance.

 

[SandisLL]

Because India has over 1 billion people and they're growing at 7% a year lol. It's not just a factory for shitty products, it's also a huge consumer market for everything.
Now, I don't mean anybody is losing India. India is just trying to stay neutral because they want to be friends with both the West and Russia because Russia sells them weapons. If the West really wants to get into India's side they could start selling them advanced weaponry but then it will piss off Pakistan and China, so it's a delicate balance.

Weapons sales to India? Afaik they already does have nukes?
Europe btw too is capable to produce very huge arsenal with nukes even without uranium import.

You mean SAM systems?
Like S-400 or Patriot?

Most likely west fears from copying.
Like USSR feared from China copying.
China had USSR made С-75 complexes and clones.
Vietnam war.
USSR then had С-125 and C-75.
They installed in Vietnam C-75 and 0 C-125 looks cos feared that China might copy them.

Ofc balance too but I think that India might improve relationships and trade with Pakistan. Not likely they will have large war.

 

[SandisLL]

Btw I didn't had told that India produces shit.
For the same pharmacy pretty normal stuff but we produced this in 1970 ies and 1980 ies and it is imported cos this for capitalists is cheaper than to manufacture locally. Lesser expenses and the same sales income= more profit.

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

Weapons sales to India? Afaik they already does have nukes?
Europe btw too is capable to produce very huge arsenal with nukes even without uranium import.

You mean SAM systems?
Like S-400 or Patriot?

Most likely west fears from copying.
Like USSR feared from China copying.
China had USSR made С-75 complexes and clones.
Vietnam war.
USSR then had С-125 and C-75.
They installed in Vietnam C-75 and 0 C-125 looks cos feared that China might copy them.

Ofc balance too but I think that India might improve relationships and trade with Pakistan. Not likely they will have large war.

Airplanes, tanks, SAM systems, small weapons, ships. India flies a few french fighters but other than that it's mostly MiGs and Sukhois. Their rifle is an AK variant. Their aircraft carrier is a Soviet one which they paid a couple billion for refurbishment.
Their main tanks are T-72 and T-90.
In other words, without Russia they would be defenseless.

 

[Mark McMichael]

Finland in NATO isnt the strategic threat that Ukraine presents given Ukraines closer proximity to major south and center of Russia. Also Eastern and southern Ukraine are far richer in resources and have 20 million pro russian ukrianians who will add to the Russian population and represent a good labor force. Despite what you may read from the news that is biased now from the mainstream western sources, the basis of the Russian incurssion was about eliminating threats ajd taking the eastern half of the country.

I suspect Russia will cut trade with Finland which wont be good for Finland given dependence on Russia for oil, gas, and key raw materials.

While I won't disagree that Ukraine is a higher value target for Russia there should be no denying that Finland joining Nato is a massive loss for Putin and Russia and their hardline stance.

FInland has the largest land border with Russia, by far, and this will allow Nato and Finland to amass troops and weapons, any time they feel the need along a significant portion of Russia's borders.

From a military strategy stand point that is Nato putting Russia in a serious 'Check' position.

It sends a message to the all the hardliners in Russia that this Putin Plan not only failed miserably but had the opposite impact of what they had hoped for.

 

[MIKOM]

It sends a message to the all the hardliners in Russia that this Putin Plan not only failed miserably but had the opposite impact of what they had hoped for.

Agreed; a colossal fuck up.

 

[SandisLL]

Airplanes, tanks, SAM systems, small weapons, ships. India flies a few french fighters but other than that it's mostly MiGs and Sukhois. Their rifle is an AK variant. Their aircraft carrier is a Soviet one which they paid a couple billion for refurbishment.
Their main tanks are T-72 and T-90.
In other words, without Russia they would be defenseless.

AK does have even versions for 5,56*45 mm cartridge.
Price/ durability/ performance wise AK for me looks enough good.
I think assault guns....there India might get them...or even factory to produce these locally...

SAM systems, I will lurk, btw I even had been a bit interested about India's Akash? stuff....
I need time to tell.

Tanks? Yeah, looks that this will be difficult stuff.
Deals to sell tanks always are slow....even if this is Russia as seller. IMHO cos long time to manufacture them?
I don't mind if India even will manufacture locally.

Airplanes? There yeah, it is what this is.
Looks that there might be problems. Even with Russia as seller; not likely Russia will sell most modern stuff they does have.
Fe latest Mig and Su upgraded versions etc.

AFAIK India even is producing missiles.

 

[SandisLL]

Airplanes, tanks, SAM systems, small weapons, ships. India flies a few french fighters but other than that it's mostly MiGs and Sukhois. Their rifle is an AK variant. Their aircraft carrier is a Soviet one which they paid a couple billion for refurbishment.
Their main tanks are T-72 and T-90.
In other words, without Russia they would be defenseless.

Sry.
I had lurked a bit.
Looks that India does have even domestic fighters airplanes production program.
Built at least 40 HAL Tejas fighters.
I don't know about them. Are they good?

 

[Deleted member 577981]

as a canadian - one that sees money pissed away in refugee support, arts, aboriginal payments and other ridiculous spending, this is shameful shit.

are you for getting rid of all aboriginal payments in canada? ive been on a thread that discussed this lately on sherdog that's why im wondering.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

are you for getting rid of all aboriginal payments in canada? ive been on a thread that discussed this lately on sherdog that's why im wondering.

All? No. Its one of Canada's larger group expenditures with no real auditing or ROI reporting. So without decent reporting, yeah cut it

 

[Deleted member 577981]

Its one of Canada's larger group expenditures with no real auditing or ROI reporting. So without decent reporting, yeah cut it

the thead i was on was calling for WAY MORE payments and a return of a ton of land also. and they were saying the payments should never phase out.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

the thead i was on was calling for WAY MORE payments and a return of a ton of land also. and they were saying the payments should never phase out.

k

 

[Deleted member 577981]

k

have you got an opinion on that if it were audited? im not trying to drag you into a fight but that whole thread has got me thinking about this issue a lot.