Nate Diaz finishes Ferguson easily in 5 rounder

[YES Cartwheel]

Pump the brakes, there, "Notoriouslefthand".

 

[MescalineDreams]

Then why is Diaz merely a gatekeeper? Lol at Conor cunts desperately trying to elevate Conor’s stock by simply making up stupid shit.

Well, conor groupies are one thing.

Trying to argue that Nate Is this horrible fighter / gatekeeper because of his LW run which was over 3 years ago Is equally as Irrational and ridiculous though. Nate's In his prime, he might not beat everyone In the top 5..particularly guys like Khabib and Lee, but he'd give almost anyone In the world a tough fight at this point.

 

[quadrunner]

Fair analysis.

I think It'd be a close fight, probably be a war. Tony's pretty damn versatile and unorthodox where as you sort of know what Nate's gonna try and do. Which doesn't necessarily mean you'll stop It because he does what he does very well. But yeah, I think that fight might be close. Not that It would ever happen anyways.

All that said, I think Nate was a tougher style opponent for Conor than Tony Is. Particularly a 170 pound Nate..

Definitely, people like to diss nate and call him a gatekeeper to try and make Conor look bad, but he is pretty much the worst matchup possible for Conor like you said.

He has incredible boxing which is Conor's best strength, is taller and bigger, one of the best chins of all time which cancels out Conor's knockout power, incredible cardio which is one of Conor's biggest weaknesses and he is several levels better on the ground if the fight ever hits the mat.

Tony and nate is a dream matchup honestly, two very entertaining and tough fighters who pretty much never slow down and are both excellent on the ground and very dangerous on the feet.

 

[NotSoSure]

Well, conor groupies are one thing.

Trying to argue that Nate Is this horrible fighter / gatekeeper because of his LW run which was over 3 years ago Is equally as Irrational and ridiculous though. Nate's In his prime, he might not beat everyone In the top 5..particularly guys like Khabib and Lee, but he'd give almost anyone In the world a tough fight at this point.

My point being: he is cemented as a gatekeeper.

 

[PEDS Help me Post]

I'd say people who think a 170 pound Prime Nate Diaz who Is honestly a tough fight for anyone at this point Is nothing more than an "overrated gatekeeper"

are just as bad as the groupies.

Both are extremist, irrational children.

Nate's a beast, I understand people want to shit on Conor whatever way possible..but Nate deserves his respect. He looked the best he's ever looked since the Michael Johnson fight but people act like he's still the guy who lost to Thomson 4 years ago. Ridiculous.

14-9

Can't sniff a title without gift shots


... gatekeeper.

 

[NotSoSure]

Definitely, people like to diss nate and call him a gatekeeper to try and make Conor look bad, but he is pretty much the worst matchup possible for Conor like you said.

He has incredible boxing which is Conor's best strength, is taller and bigger, one of the best chins of all time which cancels out Conor's knockout power, incredible cardio which is one of Conor's biggest weaknesses and he is several levels better on the ground if the fight ever hits the mat.

Tony and nate is a dream matchup honestly, two very entertaining and tough fighters who pretty much never slow down and are both excellent on the ground and very dangerous on the feet.

Nate IS a gatekeeper. That makes Conor’s recent updates run unimpressive. These are facts.

 

[quadrunner]

Nate IS a gatekeeper. That makes Conor’s recent updates run unimpressive. These are facts.

Nate loses to grapplers, Conor is not a grappler. It's all about the matchups.

 

[NotSoSure]

Nate loses to grapplers, Conor is not a grappler. It's all about the matchups.

And that’s an excuse.

Conor lost and then was gifted a decision to a gatekeeper. Doesn’t Conor brag about his grappling????

 

[spooNN]

You are a funny man. Tony would be a decent favorite in this match.

 

[MescalineDreams]

14-9

Can't sniff a title without gift shots


... gatekeeper.

That's not really how you analyze fighters.

Doing that kind of shit Is equivalent to MMA math.

Same kind of people Bring up BJ's record, doesn't change the fact that he's one of the best fighters to ever fight in MMA.

Nate's last LW run was over 3 years ago, It's pretty clear that ever since the Michael Johnson fight..after Nate took off a year because he wanted more money, he's been a different fighter. So, his previous LW run should be taken with a grain of salt. Judging what we've seen from Nate In his past few fights Is the only thing that will accurately assess where he currently stands as a fighter and In the division.

Kevin Lee got knocked out by a jiu jitsu guy less than 3 years ago as well. Right now he's one of the best fighters In the world and probably a future champ. So again, using fights and records from years ago to analyze the current version of fighters Is just bad logic.
Nate's In his prime and he's a beast right now. I come from a boxing backround and I can tell you his boxing has Improved leaps and bounds ever since that Michael Johnson fight. Dude Isn't even the same fighter.

But yeah, when you're blinded by bias..whether Irrational hate or love, shit analysis Is to be expected.

 

[quadrunner]

And that’s an excuse.

Conor lost and then was gifted a decision to a gatekeeper. Doesn’t Conor brag about his grappling????

That's an excuse? So matchups have nothing to do with how a fight will play out, it's all about who has more wins or losses or who is ranked higher I guess?

Since Conor brags about his grappling he should have the advantage on the mat against a Diaz brother?

 

[PEDS Help me Post]

Nate loses to grapplers, Conor is not a grappler. It's all about the matchups.

Except he lost to Conor, Thomson and RDA.... so he loses to strikers too.


That's why he's a gatekeeper, more often than not he will lose to elite fighters.

 

[PEDS Help me Post]

That's not really how you analyze fighters.

Doing that kind of shit Is equivalent to MMA math.

Same kind of people Bring up BJ's record, doesn't change the fact that he's one of the best fighters to ever fight in MMA.

Nate's last LW run was over 3 years ago, It's pretty clear that ever since the Michael Johnson fight..after Nate took off a year because he wanted more money, he's been a different fighter. So, his previous LW run should be taken with a grain of salt. Judging what we've seen from Nate In his past few fights Is the only thing that will accurately assess where he stands as a fighter and In the division.

Kevin Lee got knocked out by a jiu jitsu guy less than 3 years ago as well. Right now he's one of the best fighters In the world and probably a future champ. So again, using fights and records from years ago to analyze the current version of fighters Is just bad logic.
Nate's In his prime and he's a beast right now. I come from a boxing backround and I can tell you his boxing has Improved leaps and bounds ever since that Michael Johnson fight. Dude Isn't even the same fighter.

But yeah, when you're blinded by bias..whether Irrational hate or love, shit analysis Is to be expected.

Yes, we should take his entire career with a grain of salt because he beat a 17-12 Michael Johnson.

Michael fucking Johnson.

 

[Thepaintbucket]

I'd love to see it. Too bad it won't happen because Nate Diaz refuses to fight anyone not named Conor Golden Nugget.

 

[NotSoSure]

That's an excuse? So matchups have nothing to do with how a fight will play out, it's all about who has more wins or losses or who is ranked higher I guess?

Since Conor brags about his grappling he should have the advantage on the mat against a Diaz brother?

It was Nate’s boxing that f’d Conor up. Conor got messed up by a gatekeeper: that’s the truth.

 

[MescalineDreams]

My point being: he is cemented as a gatekeeper.

based on what? fights that happened over 3 years ago?

Dude's In his prime now and looked better than he's ever looked ever since that Michael Johnson fight. Why would I judge him based on losses from over 3 years ago?

do I judge Kevin Lee for getting knocked out by a jiu jitsu guy? That happened less than 2 years ago and he currently looks like one of the best fighters In the world and a future champion.

Nate has some of the best boxing in MMA along with Nick. Both of them have relentless / tenacious styles on the feet and throw a ton of punches. Both have Iron chins and endless cardio. Both have very legit grappling. Nate's previous LW run wasn't the greatest, even I didn't respect his boxing back then..but he's come a long way and deserves respect for where he's at today. Not judged from fights that happened years ago.

 

[quadrunner]

Except he lost to Conor, Thomson and RDA.... so he loses to strikers too.


That's why he's a gatekeeper, more often than not he will lose to elite fighters.

Thomson is a great grappler who got a takedown on Diaz, he also was landing leg kicks which lead to the head kick finish. RDA is a better grappler than he is striker, he also landed leg kicks and used his grappling to beat nate.

Conor did beat nate because he is a better boxer, that doesn't mean every striker can beat nate.

 

[quadrunner]

It was Nate’s boxing that f’d Conor up. Conor got messed up by a gatekeeper: that’s the truth.

No, Conor was tired from throwing everything in every punch in the first fight, then he got hurt with a punch and tried to land a takedown to clear the cobwebs and he got submitted.

What happened in the rematch btw? Conor fought smarter and dropped nate multiple times and won, right? No one ever seems to remember the rematch around here

 

[Nelly]

Even Fergusons chin or cardio cant hold up Nates much better boxing and incredible volume. He would literally 1-2 Ferguson into oblivion. Let alone Conor McGregor. He would knock Ferguson stiff in first round. Tony is good fighter but his striking defence is one of the worst in UFC:

You want to know something interesting? Tony has a higher striking defense % than Conor and Nate. Tony fought 5 rounds comfortably at the highest altitude the UFC has ever been to against a pressure fighter that destroyed Nate from bell to bell. His cardio will hold up. To say Nate finishes him easily is laughable. Nate would have an easier time finishing Conor than he does with Tony.

 

[PEDS Help me Post]

Thomson is a great grappler who got a takedown on Diaz, he also was landing leg kicks which lead to the head kick finish. RDA is a better grappler than he is striker, he also landed leg kicks and used his grappling to beat nate.

Conor did beat nate because he is a better boxer, that doesn't mean every striker can beat nate.

You don't need to box Nate. All you need to do is destroy his lead leg.

There's been a template to beat the Diaz Brothers for years because they never even try and evolve whatsoever.